According to John: Excursus #2 – Interview with Dr. Herold Weiss
You can get more details on the Google+ event, and you can watch either through that link, or using the viewer below.
I apologize for posting this so late. I will post the YouTube and some comments tomorrow. Dr. Weiss is the author of the book I’m using for this study, Meditations on According to John.
My ears pricked up at the mention of panentheism. Can I suggest that although Dr. Weiss is entirely correct that the term “panentheism” didn’t exist until the 20th century, neither did the term (for instance) “quasar”. That doesn’t mean that there wasn’t a real thing described by panentheism, any more than it means that there wasn’t a real thing described by quasar (noting that all the quasars we see are being seen at a point in time before we coined the term…).
I think F.C. Happold does a good job in “Mysticism” in demonstrating that panentheism is a reasonable term to apply to aspects of the reported experience of a range of people he identifies (rightly, in my eyes) as mystics, including SS. Paul and John…
I think it’s interesting to compare Dr. Weiss’s definition of panentheism with Dr. Epperly’s. Herold is a biblical scholar while Bruce is a theologian and pastor. Note that Herold’s definition deals entirely with function, i.e., how God works in the universe. Bruce’s involves more of a theological affirmation and then how it interacts. Epperly also considers it biblical, while I’m pretty sure Herold would be extremely slow to call anything “biblical” or “unbiblical” in a broader perspective.
I suspect the same thing goes into how they would reply to the question of whether you could call the expression in Colossians, or in various mystics, relates to different things. For Herold, it’s about relating a term/concept from the 20th century to other terms. For Bruce it’s about looking at how similar in feel they are. In both cases there’s a certain amount of occupational hazard involved, and for us there is great value in hearing both perspectives, in my opinion. I don’t see much actual theological distance; just a difference of expression and perspective.
This was a highly anticipated interview and met expectations. It was fun enjoying Professor Weiss enjoying the process. I hope Henry brings him back at the conclusion of this series.
I am in agreement with Chris Eyre’s observation on panentheism. I wonder if we shouldn’t include Jesus in the list of mystics?