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Category: Christianity

  • The Wrong Reason for Church Growth – Quote of the Day

    From Allan Bevere:

    And one more thing– as long as the church wants to grow only in order to pay the bills; if we see new people not as persons made in the image of God who need God’s transforming grace as much as the rest of us; if we only see them as instruments by which to meet the general budget, then we will have really lost what it means to be the church in the world.

    This comes from a post titled The Church Has an Edifice Complex. You should read the whole thing.

    I’d link this to the numerous times I’m aware of in which a church has forced some ministry off church property because the people served weren’t those who attended church. These include a Wednesday night program for community youth whose parents weren’t church members and a young adult class whose members weren’t attending the church service.

    Is church attendance desirable? Yes. But if you do ministry only to those who are already doing so, where’s the outreach?

     

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  • Grow a Scriptural Faith – For Your Kids

    The joint blog through the book Almost Christian by John Meunier and his daughter continues with Parents Matter Most. I must recommend this series again, because both participants are making excellent points and being quite open about spirituality. You can follow the links in the various posts.

    A key takeaway line this time:

    Neither grows a scriptural teen faith. Because the solution isn’t to barricade kids or to throw them to the sharks. It’s for the adults to grow a scriptural faith, too [emphasis mine].

    Who knew? 🙂

    I don’t think the problems with Christianity are hard to find. We have students who want to learn to understand their Bibles but don’t want to be bothered reading them during the week, people who want active prayer lives, provided they don’t have to pray, and parents who want their children to be in church, but who don’t want to model spirituality for them. I must confess to weakness in the latter two items as well, and on occasion in the first! This isn’t a rant in which I can point fingers.

    I point again to Psalm 78, especially verses 5-8. The scriptural pattern is there. Why not follow it?

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  • History of the Bible for 3rd Graders

    I was surprised to be invited to teach a session on the history of the Bible to the third grade class at my home church. So what does one do with about a half an hour to talk about the history of the Bible with about 20 lively 3rd graders?

    I chose to create some slides using generations to illustrate the time that has passed since various key points in the history of the Biblical text. Using 20 years as a generation I put little people icons on slides, starting with somewhere around my own age compared to theirs, and then multiplying until I got back to the time of the Exodus. I interspersed the time charts with images dealing with what happened during that time frame in the history of the Bible.

    I hadn’t tried to teach that age group in more than 30 years, so I was a bit nervous. How did it go?

    They were really engaged with the time element, counting my icons of people, multiplying and checking the math. They had intelligent questions throughout, especially about the nature of writing and how manuscripts were copied.

    While I didn’t overdo the big words, these kids didn’t need me to add a lot of fun–they regarded the topic as fun. I think our kids are ready to learn. We just need to be ready to let them.

  • How Liberal Christians Lose Credibility

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    This article interested me, if for no other reason than my tag line: Thoughts on Religion in the World from a passionate, moderate, liberal charismatic Christian. Now I should point out again that “liberal charismatic” was a tag bestowed on me by someone who didn’t like me, and my preference is “passionate moderate” as a self-description. But many of my friends think “liberal charismatic” is fairly accurate.

    One of the problems with liberal Christianity, in my opinion, is that many American liberals have problems explaining why they are Christians, specifically Christian liberals. The appearance some present is of being culturally rooted in Christianity and using Christian language to some extent, but not really taking it all that seriously. In my experience, most liberal Christians really do take their theology and discipleship seriously. It’s the appearance. I think it may be that the constant explanations of why one isn’t conservative on doctrinal issues detracts from making a positive case for what one does believe.

    I found the post 10 ways “liberal” Christians lose credibility via John Meunier, and I think a number of these points are quite good. Reyes-Chow is clearly more comfortable with the liberal label than I am, but that gives him more credibility in talking about it as well. As John was, I was particularly interested in the point on Christology:

    We must be able to articulate a Christology that informs our liberalness.  Too often I have been in conversations where it seems that our positions inform our understanding of Jesus….

    In my view, however, that issue comes up for all Christians. I think modern American Christianity has a great deal of trouble with Christology, and with rooting discipleship in a robust Christology. As a self-proclaimed Christian moderate, I confess that it’s easy to let my “positions inform [my] understanding of Jesus” rather than having it the other way around.

    Wander on over to Bruce Reyes-Chow and read the whole post.

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  • Worship Worthy of Your Understanding of God

    I started teaching a new Sunday School class today, or I should say it’s new to me. In our discussion one of the class members discussed who he understood God to be, and then commented that he couldn’t understand such a God requiring worship. His concept of God was rich and deep, so by this time I was wondering. Then he mentioned what he meant by “worship,” and what he was talking about was the very common things we do at our worship services.

    I think his question was very appropriate, even though the answer–as he acknowledged–was kind of built into the question. But it raises another question: Are our worship services worthy of God? Or perhaps I can make it a little easier: Are our worship services worthy of our best understanding of God?

    I spent some time writing about worship, and one of my key points was that worship should happen all week long. Worship is not something that just happens during a time of “worship” should help us to worship all week, and what we do all week should help us worship when we get together.

    So I ask: Is what we do on Sunday morning worthy of our God? Does it send people forth recharged to meet the world? If not, what can we do?

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  • The Bible and Abortion

    John Hobbins is off to a promising start discussing what the Bible says about abortion. I’ll be interested in seeing his take on Exodus 21:22-25, and may post some thoughts of my own when the time comes.

  • Seeking Sinless Perfection

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    Because I have some online watches for names of Energion Publications authors, I found the post In Search of Sinless Perfection, which quotes Alden Thompson. This comes from a Seventh-day Adventist background, but I must mention that I have been surprised by how much from my own SDA background simply translates into Methodism. One may easily underestimate the impact of the fact that Ellen White, early SDA leader viewed as having the prophetic gift, was a Methodist before she joined the Adventist movement.

    In any case, Ellen White quotes aside, Loren Seibold, author of the article gives a number of the reasons I have for questioning the idea of sinless perfection. Certainly the Wesleyan doctrine as actually taught by Wesley (try here for more, though you may find the account less plain than you imagined) seems less problematic than its various descendants.

    I love the introductory story, which ends:

    Then the perfect man hung up on me.

    Perhaps not the ending one imagined for a conversation with a perfect man!

    I too am a believer in sanctification. Where I must get off this particular train, however, is where one gets a personal knowledge that one is perfect. I just can’t see how that would work.

     

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  • A Test to Determine if One is a Christian

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    I’m pretty annoyed to have judges trying to make a determination of whether one is a Christian based on their knowledge. That reflects a very poor understanding of Christianity that probably comes from someone who has grown up Christian and doesn’t really understand someone who is a recent convert.

    The story is here. At least the appeals court has sent the case back for review.

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  • Best Pew Bible?

    Ken Schenck answers the question of what translation he’d endorse as a pew Bible. I must say that I give him the “Henry Neufeld award” for hedging his answer. For those of you who haven’t met me in real life, I’m known for giving long answers that provide plenty of verbal provisos or footnotes. At one church I attended, the education director called me aside one day to tell me that when church members asked me a question about the Bible they didn’t want a dissertation! My suggestion: Then don’t ask me!

    The best Bible version is one you readThis applies to any form of the “which Bible version is best” question. It’s nice when people specify “best for …” so at least you can limit it to some extent. Across the front of my little book What’s in a Version? I have the sentence: “The best Bible version is the one you read!”

    I’ve had any number of people tell me about the many cases in which that would be wrong. My point is that the Bible is not about possessing it, it’s about reading and absorbing it, and if you don’t read it, forget it. The most theoretically accurate translation is of no value if you can’t or don’t read it.

    Even with that on the front of the book, at practically every show where we’ve displayed it, someone asks, “But really, Henry, what is the best Bible version?” The answer:  It depends!

    So now that I’ve proven I can’t answer a question briefly, what about pew Bibles? I agree with a number of comments that Ken Schenck made in his post, though I would disagree mildly that for detailed study of a text in a class you want a heavily formal equivalence translation. There is a value in such a translation, but in my opinion, there is a great danger in the heavily literal style in that people read it under the impression they’re getting closer to the meaning of the Greek or Hebrew, but they really aren’t.

    I’m tempted to suggest that people go from a mildly dynamic translation straight to the original languages. With a dynamic version, you know that the translators are trying to interpret the text and express the thought. In literal translation, all too frequently people believe that interpretation is not taking place, and that if they just have an English word for every Greek and Hebrew word (or a short phrase), they’re getting close. They aren’t.

    While I have problems with certain renderings in every translation I own, I don’t find dynamic translations generally weaker in that area. I think those of us who read the original languages regularly tend to understand a literal translation according to what we know the original says, and thus miss the many ways in which someone who isn’t aware of the source text might misunderstand the literal rendering.

    My own recommendation regarding a pew Bible would be:

    • Give strong consideration to the way the text sounds when read.
    • Consider the congregation. An older congregation might be more comfortable with the RSV or even the KJV, though I think the latter can interfere with mission. A very young congregation which includes children in the main service might do well with the CEV. I agree with the NLT as a good pew Bible.
    • Consider cost. Some Bibles are printed in economical pew Bible editions.
    • Consider what your congregation uses mostly for study. I recall one congregation that ordered NRSV pew Bibles for a congregation that was used to the NIV. The pastor preached from the NIV. The pew Bibles gathered dust.
    • Consider not having pew Bibles. Projecting texts on screen is an option, but I would consider skipping that as well. (See below.)

    I must confess that I have a serious problem with the whole idea of pew Bibles. I grew up without them. I always had my own Bible. I honestly can’t remember I time when I didn’t. Now I enounter Sunday School classes that have a shelf of Bibles so class members can grab a Bible if they need one. Sunday School in which you might not need a Bible? The idea makes me sick.

    The whole notion strikes me as part of worship as a spectator sport. Convenience is OK, but not if it reduces involvement. What about marking one’s Bible? What about gathering questions and getting into discussion? What about looking at the text later when you get home?

    So if you want my bottom line recommendation, it would be not to have pew Bibles at all. If you project text on screen, do so only for the scripture reading and for responsive readings (one of the few good reasons for pew Bibles, in my opinion).

  • View on Justification

    Andy Johnson of Nazarene Seminary has a nice overview. (HT: Cross Talk and Chrisendom)