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  • Preachers: Respecting without Idolizing

    Eddie Arthur at Kouya Chronicle comments on recent debates about John Piper and justification. Amongst other things, he says this:

    It might surprise some of you that I recommend Doug’s articles because in his review of Piper’s criticism of Wright, Doug comes down fairly and squarely on the side of Wright, not Piper. For most Evangelicals John Piper has a status approaching infallible. However, on this question, everything I’ve read leads me to side with Tom Wright (though I will fully admit to not yet having read Piper’s book).

    (HT: Gentle Wisdom, in a related post, also well worth reading.)

    Eddie is to be congratulated on his attitude of respect for John Piper, while at the same time being willing to recognize where Piper is not quite so strong. After reading Eddie’s blog for some time, I would have expected no less. But many Christians find it difficult to both hold a preacher or teacher in high regard and disagree with them. If we shift the cultural and religious context, and refer to leaders instead, I suspect it is a strongly human characteristic. We like to either like or dislike someone, and to do so without qualification.

    There will be those who think I don’t respect Piper at all. After all, I have criticized him recently. But I have also appreciated what he has to say on many topics, including prosperity theology, though I differ there in the details. Mark Driscoll is another preacher I have criticized, but also one from whom I have much to learn. My theological perspective is very, very different from these two men, yet I find myself continually blessed by interacting with what they write, even–or especially–when I dislike it.

    The other day my wife and I were watching 60 minutes on Joel O’Steen. Now if you want to find a preacher who gets on my nerves there he is. There’s all the glitzy, prosperity oriented, shallow, showmanship that I dislike most. When the segment was over my wife and I discussed it. We frequently do this, because we both teach, and often do so together. We found that there were things we could learn from the work in ministry, as well as many things that we both deplore. I look, for example, at the time he spends on his sermons. Wouldn’t it be great if more preachers spent that kind of time and effort on their proclamation of the word each Sunday!

    My wife frequently gives a portion of her testimony when we’re teaching. She was greatly blessed and had a life-changing experience with the Holy Spirit at the Brownsville Revival here in Pensacola. Now many readers will again be surprised that I have any connection with Brownsville, given the more rationalistic tone of my own faith. But those who have read my own testimony will perhaps remember this. She tells of how she was powerfully changed and for many weeks continued attending the revival and drinking in everything that evangelist Steve Hill had to say. Then came the night when he read a text and made a point and she said, “That’s not right! That’s not what that text said!” With a bit of thought she realized that two things were compatible. Steve Hill could be wrong. Steve Hill could be God’s instrument in a powerful change in her life. The two things were not incompatible. She tells that as an important point of maturity in her Christian faith.

    I blogged yesterday about being willing to live with uncertainty. Just as we like certainty about the facts we use in living our daily lives, we also like certainty in our leaders. A preacher is either good or bad, not quite good but fallible. But that is the wrong perspective. We are all human, all fallible, all less than perfect. I can often learn from people whose behavior I do not like, or whose teaching grates on me in many ways. At the same time, I must always be aware that even people I truly appreciate may be in error.

    I need to respect preachers, teachers, and leaders, without making the mistake of idolizing them.

  • Christian Carnival CCIV

    It’s the day after Christmas and what a mess! I bet that’s what many are saying, anyhow. Our Christmas has been very quiet this year. That’s because my wife ended up taking all the traditional holidays working, and our grandchildren don’t arrive until the end of the week. We’ve done a little bit, but the excitement starts when the grandkids arrive!

    To divide up today’s carnival, I’ve chosen to use a phrase from the membership vows for the United Methodist Church. I don’t intend to be denominational on this, though I am a member of a United Methodist congregation. But I like the elements here. Each member promises to support the church through his or her “prayers, presence, gifts, and service.” As is usual, I’ll be using a bit of creativity in dividing the posts in order to create some balance. There wasn’t much on prayer, for example, but I’ll slide a couple of extras into the category. I’ve arbitrarily put the more theological posts under “presence” as when else would you hear about these things?

    Prayers

    Ched presents A Christmas Nightmare . . . posted at Says Simpleton.

    James DeLelys presents Look with your Heart! posted at Author James DeLelys.

    Jody Neufeld presents Oh Holy Night! a Christmas meditation based on the song at Jody Along the Path.

    Presence

    Don Bosch presents Divorce hurts the planet – II posted at The Evangelical Ecologist. “I’m hoping this will stimulate some thinking on the deeper impacts of human tragedies like divorce and abortion on Creation. The Catholic Church teaches that ‘Divorce is a grave offense against the natural law.’ It also states that ‘divorce is immoral also because it introduces disorder into the family and into society,’ a disorder that it states ‘makes it (divorce) truly a plague on society.’ Protestants (including garden variety evangelicals) aren’t used to considering marriage and divorce in such ‘natural law’ terms, but maybe we should. Folks from all parts of the Body of Christ have an important opportunity here for love and social influence through ecology that goes much deeper than recycling our plastic bottles. A shame if we continue to drop the ball on that. Would Jesus call our hearts hard too?”

    Therapydoc presents Internet Pornography- Part One posted at Everyone Needs Therapy.
    It’s a problem in every community. This is the first post in a series.

    Steve Bishop, of An accidental blog, starts his review of J Mark Bertrand’s (Re)thinking Wolrdview: Learning to Think, Live, and Speak in this World (Crossway, 2007).

    Jeremy Pierce presents Sex as a Condition for Marriage posted at Parableman. Some Christians have seen marriage as initiated by sex. The case of Joseph and Mary seems at odds with this view.

    Martin presents Light upon the Earth posted at Enigmania.

    Tom Gilson presents James Corbett “Taught Us How To Think”? posted at Thinking Christian. Whether James Corbett, accused of a strong anti-Christian bias in his high school history classroom, is guilty, we don’t know; but it certainly appears that he failed to do what some of his students claim he did: to teach them how to think.

    Henry (Honzo) Imler presents The Basis for Belief: Part 1 posted at Theology for the Masses.

    Gifts

    FMF presents What is Your Attitude Toward Giving? posted at Free Money Finance. What type of giver are you?

    Keyboard Culture Sales Training Expert Alan “Sell More” Altmann presents Fear and Faith are Incompatible posted at Alan Altmann Sales Training Expert at Keyboard Culture Expert Community, in which he reminds us that we have the choice of responding to situations in fear or in faith.

    I present Not a Christmas Carol, a Christmas short story that’s not really like the famous Dickens story, at The Jevlir Caravansary.

    Service

    John presents Philophronos Blogging posted at Brain Cramps for God. A reminder, as we enter the intensity of the political season and celebrate His birth, about our requirements to show Christ’s grace and mercy even to our adversaries. And to tie in with his post, Laura rounds up the Philophronos blogroll.

    Tom Fuerst presents Christian Discourse and Subverting the Rhetoric of the Empire posted at Theology for the Masses.

    Roger Carr presents Share Your Faith posted at Everyday Giving Blog.

    Keep Thinking about Jesus

    There are reasons why that baby was in that manger. Amongst those is this, part of this week’s lectionary readings:

    “Because he himself has passed through the test of suffering, he is able to help those who are in the midst of their test.” — Hebrews 2:18

  • The Joy of Being Unscientific

    I write so much about science on this blog that it’s quite possible to get the idea that I think science is the major way of knowing, and certainly the most important one. But in my day to day life I deal mostly with things that are not precisely scientific. Science tells me how an aircraft flies, but it won’t tell me which relative I should visit making use of that wonderful technology. Now that’s not a weakness of science, and more than “useless for pounding nails” is a weakness of a saw. But it’s easy to confuse, especially in religion

    This was brought to my attention this weak by a footnote in the Foreword and Acknowledgements to Raymond E. Brown’s An Introduction to the New Testament. Brown is discussing his intentions with regard to what he will cover and mentions the difficulties inherent in the fact that the gospel writers reflect different pictures of Jesus as seen and passed on by his followers. He states his intent to look at the extant accounts rather than historical reconstructions for purposes of his introductory work. Then in a footnote he says:

    For those who believe in providence, this indirect and not totally consistent witness to Jesus would have been a vehicle chosen by God–something forgotten by those who spend their efforts “improving” on it by harmonizing the gospels. [page ix, note 4]

    You see, faith is not particularly scientific. I don’t mean there’s no evidence for elements of the faith. I don’t mean that we have to abandon all rationality for faith. But faith is not about structure. As a Christian, when I look at the Bible, this is blazingly obvious. The Bible doesn’t provide either systematic theology or scientific detail and accuracy.

    Then come the gospels. It seems to me that the person of Jesus is so central to Christians that I should want to know as much as I can about him. And then I look at the gospels and I find that I don’t get things that Jesus wrote, or even things that scribes recorded while he was living. Instead I only get to see him reflected in his followers. That doesn’t mean that I know nothing at all about him–it simply means that I don’t have what I would choose to have, if I had the choice.

    But then I realize that this is just one of many ways in which God seems to do things using methods I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t choose. In fact, though you’ve seen many arguments I’ve made in favor of the theory of evolution, I have to say it’s not the way I would have chosen to do things. Come to think of it, God’s response to human evil doesn’t entirely make sense to me.

    Here it is Christmas and we celebrate the way that God sent a baby to deal with the sin problem. Logic? Science? It apparently doesn’t work that way. I’d be counting the legions of angels and figuring out strategy.

    And if there’s information that people need to know, why couldn’t it be set out in the form of an encyclopedia, for example. There’d be nice annotated entries on homosexuality and eschatology, and there’d be footnotes telling us which commands are eternal and which are just temporary.

    But apparently that is not the plan. The plan seems to be about relationships much more than about rules, more about learning to live and make decisions than about having them made for us, and more about discovery than about knowing.

    Now there are scientific elements to theology and Biblical studies, in archeology, linguistics, paleography, and various historical studies. But this little footnote served to remind me that my faith is not mostly about those things–it’s about relationships. It’s not about how the aircraft flies. It’s about who I’m going to visit by making use of it.

    PS: In case you think I’ve blogged very little for Christmas and advent, check this Christmas story on my Jevlir Caravansary blog, this devotional from my wife on her devotional blog or my contribution to her devotional list God With Us.

  • Christian Carnival Will Be Here

    There will be a Christian Carnival the day after Christmas, and it will be right here. Be sure to submit your posts. You can find the links to the carnival and the form at the bottom of the right sidebar.

  • The OTHER War on Christmas

    A couple of days ago my wife and I were discussing just how little we cared precisely how someone greeted us during the holidays. As usual, Jody made it clear that she would greet people however she wanted, which normally means “Merry Christmas” while at the same time mentioning appropriate occasions for the use of other greetings. Regarding the White House Christmas list, she told me, they obviously ought to use “Happy Holidays.” Between us, I’m sure we could offend a good number of people.

    But actually most of the people I know are not all that worked up about holiday greetings. The bulk of the population manages to go on living no matter how anyone greets them, and even if some folks don’t do it at all.

    But folks who lack good sense keep on talking about “the war on Christmas.” Obviously, those who don’t want manger scenes on public property or who don’t celebrate December 25th are anti-Christian, and probably anti-God as well.

    But wait . . . there’s another war on Christmas–the Christian war on Christmas. It’s a pagan holiday, we shouldn’t celebrate it, Christmas trees are idolatrous, etc.

    Just for a bit of flavor, check out this web site. They say, “Stunning as the following facts may appear, it is essential to bring them to your notice.” They go on to list the reasons why you shouldn’t be celebrating Christmas. Check it out! Step aside, Mr. Scrooge!

    And just in case someone misses my intended humor, let me assure you that I love Christmas. The Christmas tree is one of the best religious symbols around. It’s been borrowed so many times that nobody has any idea what it actually means. It can be interpreted in hundreds of different ways, and what’s more, it can carry a whole bunch of other symbols to which boring interpretations can be applied. Best of all, it’s pretty, and I like it. Pagan revelry rocks!

    Oh, and besides all that, the Christmas tree still manages to offend a few uptight folks who probably deserve offending. Who could ask for more than that? 🙂

  • You Might be a Fundamentalist If . . .

    John at Shuck and Jive has some ideas on how to identify a fundamentalist, especially if that’s YOU. I’m thinking his standards are a little tougher than mine, but his are a bit closer to a “dictionary” definition, always provided you locate just the right dictionary.

    I’ve been enjoying Rev. John’s blog lately, though he’s off to my left. But it’s a good relief from reading people to my right who annoy me!

  • What Do These Three Blogs have in Common?

    1. Today’s New Reason to Believe (blog from the Reasons to Believe ministry
    2. Herescope, dedicated to hunting heretics, presumably such as me!
    3. Adrian’s Blog, to which I have responded many times.

    Can’t find the similarity? Here it is: All three of them prefer to operate without any user response. Now I find that a bit more honest than some blogs, like Uncommon Descent (to which I do not link), which censor their comments such as to give a completely false impression. But I nonetheless find it interesting how people feel that they need to provide “the truth” to people one way. I also find it interesting that all three have, within very recent history, demonstrated feet of clay.

    Now please don’t get the idea that I don’t have feet of clay. But you see, you can tell me about it in the comments section, and unless your comment is illegal, or would tend to lose me a family friendly rating, I won’t censor it.

  • Good Teaching or Mockery?

    This case should turn out to be interesting. As it is, it cries out for context. (See also this on MSNBC).

    A Christian high school student is complaining that his AP history teacher is mocking his faith. His mother became concerned when the teacher said that American was not founded on Christian values. Since I’d agree with the teacher on that one, I wonder a bit about the rest. Perhaps some of these statements were made simply to provoke discussion, and if that was the case, I would have no problem. If only Christianity was challenged, that would be another matter. If one religion was mocked throughout the class, that would also be a problem. I don’t like it when Christian teachers do this to atheists or other non-Christians, and I don’t like it when it is done to Christians.

    So my initial reaction is tentatively against the teacher. But we do need to hear the context of all this. I’m assuming the principal and school board will listen to the tapes and determine just what the teacher was doing. While the student should not be mocked, challenging discussion is good. I recall once in a Bible class challenging a student about his faith and doing so effectively enough that he eventually yelled, “You won’t believe no matter what I say!” So I pointed out that I was his Bible teacher and already did believe. He thanked me afterward for the challenge.

    I will be keeping my eye on this case for sure.