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  • Another Cautionary Note on the Manhattan Declaration

    This time it’s from my former community, the Seventh-day Adventist Church, though from the Spectrum Magazine blog, which doesn’t follow the church HQ drummer. It’s The Manhattan Declaration: Approach with Caution, and it’s worth a read.

  • Speaking in Tongues and Prayer Language

    In a comment, Kris asks:

    Hi! Can someone tell me if I can start another post rather than comment on someone else’s post? If so, how do I do that? I would like to discuss the question of Holy Ghost tongues and whether we should pray in an unknown language as Christians or if it was simply something that was used as a sign in the early church for the unbelieving gentiles; and also the question of whether tithe is a new testament commandment or not.

    Part of the answer, of course, is that this is one of my personal blogs and therefore only I can write new posts, but I’m going to go ahead a provide a post on this topic and see who would like to discuss it.  This post will be on the gift of tongues, particularly where it is interpreted as a prayer language rather than speaking an earthly foreign language not known to the speaker.

    I’m not going to write much here, except to say that I believe one can receive a spiritual gift of a prayer language, that in accordance with 1 Corinthians 12, this gift is not for everyone, and according to 1 Corinthians 14, this gift is not for use in the public worship service, at least as a general rule.

    Because of this I do not believe that there is a necessary separate experience of the baptism of the Holy Spirit.  Anyone who accepts Christ has already received the Holy Spirit.  One can, however, experience the Holy Spirit in special ways at various points in one’s Christian experience.

    I have edited the following pamphlets that relate to these topics.  These do not 100% reflect my own views.  I edited these from the input of a number of people in the charismatic movement within Methodism.  They are fairly close to my own view, however.

    I Want the Baptism of the Holy Spirit (pamphlet)

    Spiritual Gifts:  Speaking in Tongues (pamphlet)

    Gifts and Offices (pamphlet)

    Thoughts on Lists of Spiritual Gifts

    1 Corinthians 12-14

    1 Corinthians 12-14 Greek Terms

    Notes on 1 Corinthians 12

    Notes on 1 Corinthians 13

    Notes on 1 Corinthians 14

    I would call that a fair amount of reading!

    If we have a good response to this post, I will provide another for discussion of tithing.

  • Wrong, Wronger, Wrongest

    Isaac Asimov on The Relativity of Wrong. I found this article extremely helpful in explaining theories and how they develop or are replaced. (HT: Abnormal Interests).

  • He Died for Us – St. John Chrysostom

    From Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers of the Christian church via Hebrews: Ancient Christian commentary on Scripture, New Testament X, commenting on Hebrews 9:15-17.

    How did he become mediator? He brought words from God and brought them to us, conveying what came from the Father and adding his own death.  We had offended; we ought to have died.  He died for us and made us worthy of the covenant.  By this is the covenant secure, in that henceforward it is not made for the unworthy. — ON THE EPISTLE TO THE HEBREWS 16.2

    What I particularly like about this quote is the combination of “bringing the words” with the added death on the cross.  The mission of Jesus Christ was atonement, but that involved more than his death on the cross–not less than or other than, but more than.

    In addition, he clearly states the weakness of the old covenant.  It was human beings who were unable to keep the covenant.  In a sense, we keep the new covenant in Jesus.

  • OneNewsNow on the Conservative Bible Project

    It looks like pretty much the same article I referenced earlier (I didn’t take the time to compare them word by word, but many of the quotes match.

    The only reason I’m referencing this separately is the headline:  The battle for truth in Bible translation.

    Is it possible that anyone thinks the project really is “battling for truth?”

  • Comment Moderation Accidentally Turned On

    I don’t know how it happened, but when I moved my WordPress installation to this server, comment moderation was turned on and the settings reverted to registration required.

    This represents an error on my part (though I’m not sure just what), not a change in policy. Moderation is again off and any user can comment.

  • Notes Elsewhere on Advent 2C

    I have written a couple of articles this week for my Participatory Bible Study Blog that relate to the week’s lectionary passages.

    1)  Translating Philippians 1:9-11 comparing three translations of the passage and discussing the difficulties of getting a clear English rendering

    and

    2) The Mosaic Bible and the Lectionary – Update discussing the use of The Mosaic Bible (NLT) from Tyndale House in connection with the lectionary.

  • Another Honest Creationist

    … and he really is a creationist. His name is Todd C. Wood, he teaches at Bryan College in Dayton Tennessee, and he blogs at the creatively named Todd’s Blog.

    Now for reasons that may have something to do with the college’s name and location, Bryan College often strikes people as an obscurantist sort of place, determined to set education back by a century. My own experience belies that reputation. I was introduced to Bryan College by a Hebrew student who was a Presbyterian Church in America youth pastor. He needed a year of Hebrew for ordination and took it from me. During that time I also heard the president of Bryan College speak and explain some of his views on education.

    Through those connections I became aware of Dr. Kurt Wise, author of Faith, Form, and Time (link is to my review), which is the one book on young age creationism I recommend if you are only going to read one on the topic. (Dr. Wise prefers “young age” to “young earth” as he is in fact dealing with the age of the universe.)

    Now my main reason for calling Dr. Wise, and now Dr. Wood “honest creationists” is not how they deal with the scientific evidence, though that is good to see. In fact, I read quite a number of posts by Dr. Wood before linking to this one, because I don’t like to pile on with the “how honest of this poor creationist to say that we’re right” line. At that point it’s like saying “This creationist is a good guy because he sees the evidence for evolution, but stubbornly refuses to believe it.”

    But I believe it’s very much different when we understand just why these men will stand up to what they acknowledge is a large body of evidence. Their epistemology starts elsewhere. They have a higher source of knowledge. They believe that revealed knowledge, as in scripture, has precedence. I may disagree, but it’s nice to have it laid out in plain words.

    The particular point of honesty–and I know there are a number more creationists that will agree here–is that both Dr. Wise and Dr. Wood acknowledge, or better proclaim that their starting point is scripture, and what’s more a particular understanding of it. Quoth Dr. Wood:

    It starts with going back to the most basic convictions about origins that I have. For me, that starts with my convictions about the mode of scriptural inspiration, i.e. verbal, plenary inspiration. I don’t believe that the Bible is merely a human book that contains the word of God. I believe it is the Word of God. I also do not accept the modern and popular doctrine of accommodation, which basicallys says that by putting His revelation into human language, God was forced to use terms that were not precisely accurate. As a result, science takes an active role in interpreting the Scripture, since any part may be accommodated and therefore not literally true.

    Now I profoundly disagree with that, but what I find dishonest in the work of some creationists is that they try to claim that simply doing science, starting from its current state, one can conclude that the universe was created recently (6000 or so years) and quickly. In order to make a political point and get creationism in the public school curriculum, they cut their view off from its foundation.

    Now as I understand it, both Dr. Wise and Dr. Wood maintain that with the proper research and time and effort to produce the necessary body of scientific work, a sound scientific foundation can be made. In his book which I previously mentioned, Dr. Wise makes a point of listing things that need to be researched in order to produce such a theory.

    Now I profoundly disagree with their understanding of scripture and of the relationship of scripture and science. I don’t even see my view as accommodation. I believe scripture does not address science, and that this is because God never intended to address science through scripture. But it’s nice to have that out at a start. That’s what I call being honest.

    Two people can say that they believe the Bible, yet that is really meaningless until we know just what each one believes about the Bible.

    So I’ve added a subscription to Todd’s Blog to my Google reader, and I’m enjoying his posts.