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Category: Christianity

  • Grace Through the Desert

    I contributed a post taken from 2 Corinthians today, but you really ought to subscribe to Grace Through the Desert–inspirational.

  • Is this YOUR Worship CD?

    I was tempted to title this “What we REALLY mean when we sing those praise songs.”

    HT:  Peter Kirk.

  • All Tangled Up in Solutions

    Imagine being on a ministry committee with the responsibility for examining the plan for Jesus and his congregation (the disciples) going to Jerusalem that final week. What would you consider? What would you recommend?

    From my observations of the various decision making bodies in churches, I suspect there would have been a few people who would bring up good, practical business and political plans. After all, many claimants to the title of “Messiah” or “King of Judea” had come to bad ends. One should surely learn from their mistakes.

    The best management advice would have suggested not going to Jerusalem at all, or perhaps doing so incognito. Of course, without 20/20 hindsight, we know that the best possible business and political advice would have been completely wrong.

    Yet the pattern of decision making, and of evaluating decisions that would have avoided holy week is precisely the way in which we make and evaluate decisions in most of our churches.

    [Warning: I’m about to ramble!]

    I’ve been thinking about this recently because of the discussion amongst some Methodist blogs about measuring ministry. I started following this a bit when John Meunier wrote a post titled Check Day Every Week. In it, he tells us of Bishop Willimon’s (North Alabama Conference) new dashboard on the conference web site which informs all concerned–or not–of how each church in the conference is doing based on various measures.

    Now I have great respect for Bishop Willimon in many areas, but his dashboard profoundly troubles me. I wonder, for example, just what such a dashboard would have shown about the climax of Jesus’ ministry. That may be an unfair question, but it did occur to me.

    But then I read this post, It’s All in the Numbers, following a link from John Meunier again, and again I was profoundly troubled.

    Now again there is much to be admired here. There are many ways in which this church is truly living out the gospel in their community. Yet there are no professions of faith as of the time of the post, and just one baptism coming up.

    Now as I discuss this, please don’t mistake me for some sort of expert on church growth or pastoral ministry. (Actually, on re-reading, I see no chance that you would!) I studied Biblical languages in school. No church administration, no pastoral counseling, no ecclesiology. There are those who think that if you read Greek you can pretty much handle anything, but that’s not the case. On the other hand, I’ve been watching churches work–or not–since I can remember.

    What troubles me about Bishop Willimon’s dashboard is the question of just what “success” is in a Christian context and how it should be measured. I’ve been studying 2 Corinthians over the last couple of weeks and I’m profoundly impressed by Paul’s simple, yet incredibly challenging words: “If I must boast, I will boast of the things that show my weakness.” — 2 Cor. 11:30 (NRSV)

    So if I were a pastor or a congregational leader, should I want to show a dashboard that displays how many people I have brought to Christ, or how many I have baptized? How would “boasting of the things that show my weakness” work on a dashboard?

    Even further, looked at from a business standpoint I would have to ask just who takes responsibility for those stats. Do we account for the different locations and callings of all those churches?

    At the same time, I have to ask whether a church that is not growing, producing new spiritual life, is really doing the work of ministry. It’s surely not an indefinitely sustainable pattern. And there is, after all, the gospel commission. Evangelism may not be popular today, but it is a command. If we aren’t making disciples, just what are we up to?

    In a sense, we see an apparent conflict here between making disciples and being disciples. Of course, this conflict may be, and probably is, largely artificial. It’s likely that many of the churches who are bringing in new members, and thus making new disciples, are also being disciples. Those churches who are doing the work of ministry–being disciples–may be doing the work of witness, but are just plowing hard ground.

    It seems to me that what we look at is a set of methods or programs that we expect to help pastors solve these sorts of problems. There must be some method that one can use that will bring in more souls, make more disciples, produce a better church congregation and thus improve our witness.

    I know how desperate pastors are for these kinds of things, because sometimes they will even ask me. And you know, I really know nothing whatsoever about church growth programs. But right now, I’m thinking it’s worse when they ask the experts on church growth, because then they get a method or a program, and they try to apply it in their own church. Very often, it doesn’t work.

    In my own area–Biblical studies–I see this with the desire to find a program that will get one’s congregation studying the Bible. Church libraries and storerooms are overflowing with discarded material that was supposed to make the congregation more Biblically literate and build their enthusiasm for Bible study.

    I’m often asked what “program” I follow. Well, I have written some materials, but those materials will only work with one additional ingredient. For me, the only formula to generate more active and effective Bible study in your church is to be excited about study yourself, and let that infect others. (Hint: It’s part of discipling!)

    Similarly, I recall talking to many people during the Brownsville Revival here in Pensacola. People would come and observe Brownsville in action. They thought they wanted something similar in their own churches, anything to bring life to seemingly dead congregations. They would go home and try to implement the things that Brownsville did, and in general, it didn’t work.

    Why? I would suggest it’s because only discipleship begets discipleship, and I see this as a New Testament pattern. There is no program to produce true disciples. There is only the process of letting God take over. That is so hard. I like to hold onto my piece of the territory. Programs allow me to do that. They let me talk about my success, when I know very well that “God gives the increase.”

    As I was thinking about this post, I received a link to a new review (from unlikely christians) of the forthcoming book by David Alan Black, The Jesus Paradigm. (Full discloser: My company is publishing this book.) Now Dr. Black is a professor at a Southern Baptist seminary, and I’m a member of a United Methodist congregation. Between those two points there is a great gulf fixed–or is there?

    We have chosen to measure success in a manner that makes us feel comfortable: giving, attendance, etc. Nevermind that the “wildly successful” 500-member church is in a community where 1% of the population has really believed the gospel. This is success? Black offers another way:

    It is necessary that we view what we do on Sunday as merely the beginning, not the climax, of our work. In other words, we need to change the basis for evaluating the effectiveness of the ministry of our churches. The question is not ‘how many attended on Sunday?’ but ‘What did those who attended on Sunday do during the week to advance Christ’s kingdom?’ This is what it means to be the People of God. It is a people who understand that the mission of the church is to fulfill God’s redemptive mission. (75)

    I’d like to comment here on the best way to disagree with a book, or even a person. A number of folks have pointed out to me how “Southern Baptist” Dr. Black is. But that can easily be an excuse to miss the point. The question is not what your structure is or which program you’re following, unless your structures or your programs are preventing you from truly following Jesus Christ. The challenge remains the same. It’s a good idea to talk about church polity and how it impacts our ministry, but first let’s get to the foundational principles.

    What Dr. Black is saying here is something I know my own pastor would preach. He has even begun adding “and your witness” to the areas in which new members are asked to support their church. I like hearing that. It says that we have a church hear to be a witness and to make disciples. Disciples carry out the ministry of Jesus loving one another as Jesus has first loved them.

    One of the questions I always ask someone when they ask me for suggestions about how to make their church grow spiritually and even in numbers, right after I tell them how deep my ignorance of the subject is, is this: What is the mission of your church?

    I’m amazed at how few people in the various congregations I’ve visited can state a mission for their congregation or even quote the written mission statement. I recall once asking a member what the mission statement of their church was. I was, in fact, looking at it written on a sign on the wall, but the member didn’t know.

    But let’s take a step behind that written mission statement. What is God’s mission for your church? We know it involves making disciples. And before we take the easy road, consider the answers that many of God’s servants through history have received. Their paths have been difficult and dry, often they have seen little measurable success in their own lifetimes, and frequently they wind up in fiery furnaces, facing lions, or hanging on crosses. There’s no program that’s going to handle all of those things!

    There is no substitute for prayerfully seeking God’s will for your church, then following it even when some dashboard doesn’t portray you in the best light.

    God is calling you to accomplish in your community what God can do, not what you can do. So break off all the tangled thread of solutions that were designed for someone else, get back to the basic gospel, and do what you need to do.

    Now that sounded like a conclusion, but I’m going to add one thing. I’m not against all programs and solutions that are suggested by others. I’m not against good business practices in church, with one critical proviso: All programs must be subordinated to the mission to which God has called you. To be honest, until you have the answer to that question, I don’t think you can possibly choose a workable program. After all, I can’t choose between my hammer and my saw until I know whether I want to pound in a nail or saw a board.

    Thanks for sharing in my ignorance and weakness here. Perhaps if we’ll all be weak, we’ll see an outbreak of strength in our churches–God’s strength.

  • Choosing Bible Reading

    I was reading an excellent post by Martin LaBar (Sun and Shield) today about our reading choices.  He’s commenting on a study that shows that we tend to select reading that confirms our already existing views.

    Now I suspect there’s nothing terribly surprising about that.  At least most of us assume that other people only read to support their own prejudices.  We, of course, just choose to read only the truth!

    This idea connected with some current reading.  My daughter and her family, who obviously know me well, sent me a gift card for Barnes and Noble for my birthday, and I used it to get a commentary I’ve been wanting, Frank J. Matera’s commentary on II Corinthians.  I’ve been reading it for part of my devotional time.

    In the exceptional introduction to the book, Matera finds a common theme for the book that connects the gospel to apostolic ministry. To summarize and paraphrase (a fuller explanation of this is on page 14), Paul preaches God who raises the dead, but to participate in this resurrection, one must participate in Christ’s suffering and affliction.  Paul becomes part of Christ’s suffering through his suffering in his ministry to the church.

    Thus the book presents a picture of ministry that is almost entirely the opposite of the waythe world–and often the modern church–see it.  We like to think of great leaders, strong and capable people, called to carry their natural gifts into service, for which they get due reward.  That is not New Testament, Christ-like service, however.

    While we quote a text or two in 2 Corinthians, on topics like new creation, imputation, and cheerful giving, that is only a tiny portion of the theme–the theme of the book is a defense of Paul’s apostolic minsitry as a fragile, weak vessel used by God.

    So what does this have to do with reading choices?

    Ask yourself how much time we spend studying various books of the Bible.  I recall, for example, that books like Romans and Galatians were pretty popular in the seminary where I studied.  Second Corinthians?  Not so much.

    Indeed, we didn’t really get the whole books of Galatians and Romans.  I took a class titles Exegesis of Romans in Greek in my undergraduate program, and we never got past chapter 8.  Chapters 9-16?  The professor mentioned them a few times, but I had to work on those on my own later.

    In graduate school I took a course in Galatians.  With effort we got through chapter 4.  We missed chapters 5 & 6.

    But one of the things 2 Corinthians does is provide us with the application of salvation by faith to ministry–ministry by faith.

    Perhaps we ought to spend some serious time on the portions of the Bible that are a bit less popular.

  • Dave Black on Christians and Nationalism

    He posted an excellent article on his web site titled A Lesson from Ethiopia. Further comment at Mt. Tirzah Baptist Church.

  • Ministry Mistakes (or not)

    The Internet Monk has a list of his most bone-headed ministry mistakes. It’s worth a read. Some of them aren’t really mistakes, in my view. For example, #4:

    4. Two of my deacons made a big deal about me taking the a.m. service ten minutes too long two weeks in a row, and they humiliated me in front of the rest of the deacons over it. No affirmation of my preaching at all. Just p.o.-ed that I had gotten them to the restaurants a bit late. I was angry; really angry. The next week I preached for 12 minutes total and dismissed the service at 15 minutes till noon. The reaction was predictable. I actually consider that one of my finer moments. If your view of preaching is “How soon do I get to dinner?” you deserve to be accommodated.

    Enjoy!

  • New Methodist Blogger – Rev. Geoffrey Lentz

    I’ve been meaning to post this for a few days, but it’s been busy, as you can tell from my low level of blogging. Geoffrey Lentz is the associate pastor of First United Methodist Church of Pensacola, and a former student of mine. In fact, I met Geoffrey in the first class I taught for youth in a United Methodist church when he was just 14 and I had been a Methodist less than a year.

    No, I’m not going to go into all the embarrassing youth stories. Suffice it to say that everyone realized then that Geoffrey was going to be a minister, and that never changed. I now attend his Wednesday Bible study on the Lectionary passages and really enjoy learning from him. He has become quite conversant with church history and especially early church fathers, and makes extensive use of that knowledge in teaching. Since my training and inclination starts from the opposite perspective, i.e. I tend to study the Bible as a piece of ancient near eastern literature, I find his study to be a nice complement to my own.


    Luke Study Guide

    I have long tried to persuade Geoffrey to start blogging, and finally he has. His blog is at GeoffreyLentz.com, and I’d call attention to his thoughtful first post, What is a Preacher to Do?

    He also just wrote a study guide for the Participatory Study Series published by my company, Energion Publications. You can find out more about this excellent new guide to the Gospel According to St. Luke on its catalog page.

  • Christian Carnival CCLXIX – Summer Vacation Edition

    I planned to get this posted early this morning, but my job–you know, my paying work–intervened.  Advance copies of one book arrived from the printer yesterday, and then the first release copies of two more showed up today.  For a small publisher, that’s a heavy couple of days!

    In any case, even though it’s not for me, summer vacation is here, so I’m going to organize today’s carnival around various types of vacations.  Don’t read too much into the vacation spot under which I list your post.  It’s intended as fun!

    To the Beach!

    First let’s head out to the beach for some fun.  There we will find:

    Fiona Veitch Smith presents Christian Speculative Fiction – a ‘lost’ genre? posted at The Crafty Writer, saying, “Writers of Christian speculative fiction (ie fantasy and science fiction from a Christian world view) struggle to find publishers for their work. This interview with a Christian publisher explores the reasons for this as well as the problematic area of depicting sex and violence for a Christian readership.”
    Oh no!  That’s not the actual fiction.  That’s talking about how to publish it.  Well, it sounded like fun to me!

    The Sites of the Reformation

    Perhaps a trip through Europe, visiting some of the major sites from the reformation.  Here the scenery will help us discuss some of the major reformation themes.

    Sue Roth presents The unforgivable sin? Or the unanswerable question? posted at IN HIM WE LIVE AND MOVE AND HAVE OUR BEING, asking a few hard questions about forgiveness.

    andriel discusses an important and basic Christian concept in The Basis for Salvation: Man is Sinful posted at ReturningKing.com.

    JLS presents Meditating on Justification posted at Pastoral Musings, a meditation on justification by faith that emphasizes our freedom in the grace of God.

    For His Glory presents Smorgasbord Tuesday: The Fruit of the Spirit: LOVE posted at For His Glory.  The Holy Spirit brings freedom in our lives; all we have to do is go to the source to have life.

    Danny at Boston Bible Geeks asks the question “why does God choose to pour His Spirit out on Pentecost?” and looks for some OT connections to help us answer the question in The Spirit, the Law & Pentecost

    Rey presents The Non-Violated Law of Romans 4:15 posted at The Bible Archive, in which he addresses the use of Law in Romans 4:15 and how it remains non-violated.

    Weekend Fisher presents The abomination that causes desolation v. the cross of Christ posted at Heart, Mind, Soul, and Strength, considering the Abomination that Causes Desolation, the absence of God from the Holy Place, and the cross of Christ.”

    Quiet Hiking

    Then how about some time out hiking and camping in nature alone, with plenty of time to meditate and hear from the creator?

    Glowing Face Man presents Declarative vs. Supplicative Prayer posted at Glowing Face Man: Awaken the Badass Within, in which he discusses prayer, and some of the pitfalls we fall into when we pray.

    NCSue presents a reflection on Pentecost, on the Holy Spirit, and on our response as children of God in Thoughts on Pentecost posted at IN HIM WE LIVE AND MOVE AND HAVE OUR BEING.

    Visiting a Financial Center

    I never really got into it, but in college we went on a trip to New York City.  I have nothing against the city, except that everything moves and happens too fast for me.  But there we will find the stock market and those who trade on it, all doubtless thinking and moving very fast!

    FMF reviews a Christian based investment web site: Review: Sound Mind Investing Website posted at Free Money Finance.

    The Sabbatical

    What scholar doesn’t like the idea of a sabbatical?  On sabbatical we find:

    Robert Minto presents Emerson’s “American Scholar” & Christian Thinking posted at The Veil Away, discussing what it means to be a Christian scholar, which refers back to his previous day’s post, Does the Gospel Explain Life?. I decided to treat them as one long post and include both.

    Shannon Christman presents The Life of O’Reilly: An Argument for God? posted at The Minority Thinker, asking, “Does a successful career offer proof that God exists?”

    The postmdoern Christian wants us to believe he or she is very authentic and tolerant.  But are they really? Diane R. discusses this in “Authentic” and “Tolerant?” Hmmmmm…. posted at Crossroads: Where Faith and Inquiry Meet.

    Jeremy Pierce says, “There’s a tension between the tendency among some Christian pacifists to call a lot of non-physically-violent things violent and the tendency among some of the same people to say that there’s no violence in the atonement.” He expands on this in Leithart on Christian Pacifism and the Atonement posted at Parableman.

    Douglas Manning presents Does The Law Of Attraction Contradict The Bible? (Part 1) posted at SuccessHound.com.  This is Part One of a two part article that takes a comprehensive look at whether or not the law of attraction, as explained in the move, The Secret, is in conflict with the teachings of Jesus Christ.

    The Family Vacation

    In which we take the family, well, anywhere!

    When I was growing up, we had family worship every evening.  That can be hard to do.  Keith Tusing presents some good advice in How to Lead a Family Worship Time posted at CM Buzz.

    Can you picture God as the amused parent of a three year old?  Susan can, and she presents How angry are we? posted at Abooklook. She wonders if many people are secretly angry with God?

    Are you ready to catch a whiff of …  Allen Scott presents Grandma’s Apple Pie posted at Journey Across the Sky.  He says:  “I loved my grandma’s apple pies. To me there was nothing better than a fresh hot apple pie straight from the oven, covered with vanilla ice cream and eaten while it was still warm. Mmm Mmm good!”

    Christians get divorced at the same rate as non-Christians, right? Maybe not. Chris Brooks challenges this common idea in The Myth of Christian Divorce posted at Homeward Bound.

    Himalayan Mission

    OK, I admit it’s a stretch, but where better to meditate on the nature of God?

    What would God be like as a fashion designer? Mark Tenniswood searches for a Biblical answer in God and Fashion posted at until we are home….

    Rounding out our post discussing how God might view certain things we have Sinful Certainty from James McGrath, in which he suggests that certainty may well be God’s prerogative.  So then certainty could be a sin, no?

    michelle presents Ephesians 6:12 posted at Thoughts and Confessions of a Girl Who Loves Jesus….  Could a strange encounter have a cause in the spiritual realm?

    Wickle presents What kind of music does God like? posted at A True Believer’s Weblog.  Have you ever wondered about God’s taste in music?

    Staying Home

    OK, some of us skip the vacation.

    Ken Brown tackles a difficult current issue, in Tough Questions About George Tiller?s Murder posted at C. Orthodoxy.

    Bruce Alderman looks at the same issue from a different angle in Does “pro-life” mean anything at all?

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  • Way to Go Omaha 1st UMC

    I really like this:

    Why do I like it? Because besides collecting some help for folks in need, this gives kids a taste of the experience of others. Hopefully it will stimulate their thinking and result in many new ideas as the years go by. We need to harness the imagination and energy of the young!