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Category: Christianity

  • Just in time for Easter

    Adrian Warnock has started another round of the atonement wars. Peter Kirk and Dave Warnock have responded, both with very constructive posts.

    Peter Kirk goes over some of the T4G language and also looks at a couple of folks that Adrian believes are not in accord with that doctrine. I know Peter accepts the doctrine of substitutionary atonement, and so do I, for that matter, though the devil is definitely in the details on that point. Simply stating that Jesus died for our sins is not sufficient for many people; one has to believe that Jesus not only died for our sins, but did so in a specific way, accomplished specific things by it, and also that this idea of substitution is the most central and important aspect of the whole doctrine of atonement.

    In fact, I think it is very easy to replace “salvation by works” with “salvation by doctrines” instead of with “salvation by faith.” It looks to me like Dave Warnock has this very problem in mind with his post on the atonement.

    This whole problem was brought to my attention forcefully when reading The God Delusion over the last few days. (I’m writing a response to that and will probably post it on Monday.) In chapter 7, “The ‘Good’ Book and the Changing Moral Zeitgeist” Dawkins spends a bit of time on the atonement (pp. 250-253). Now any theologian is likely to be dismayed by the superficial overview involved here, but if you’re honest, you’ll admit that you’ve heard it from the people in the pews, and even from some theologians. There are so many variations on this doctrine, that it is hard to tell a non-Christian that they have it wrong; generally they merely have someone else’s expression.

    There are two points I have on this. First, if the gospel is to be an offense, please let it be the gospel that is the offense, and not all the extras we like to stack up over and around it. We’ve been playing with metaphors to use in talking about atonement for centuries, surely we can admit that we’re doing just that–playing with metaphors–most of the time. Playing with metaphors is not bad in itself. It becomes bad when we forget that we’re dealing with metaphors, and mistake them for reality. Second, let’s try to state what we do mean by the atonement as carefully as possible. The problem here is that “cosmic child abuse” is indeed something that can be gotten from some of our statements, and unfortunately I think it is fair in some cases.

    I’m certain I’ll say more about this in the next couple of weeks, but right now I have to get back to writing my review of The God Delusion before I have to return the book to the library where someone else has it on hold.

  • Special Price on Not Ashamed of the Gospel

    I have set up a special price of $9.00 per copy for my personal confession of faith, Not Ashamed of the Gospel for Easter. The price will continue in effect until April 21, 2007. You need to use the link above to go to our catalog site (Energion Publications Announcement).

    Anyone interested can feel free to copy the link. There is no secret; it is just the catalog page with “&so=easter” added to it!

    OK, so much for commercial announcements….

  • Collins on Faith and Science

    This CNN article on Francis Collins also comes from a friend’s e-mail. I’m happy to call attention to it. Dr. Francis Collins is both an evangelical Christian and accepts the theory of evolution. His testimony is interesting.

    I will be commenting some more on the relationship between science and religion in the next few days as I complete some reading, but for now, I see much here that is worth considering.

  • Added John H Armstrong to my Blogroll

    Based on some links passed to me by a friend in e-mail, I’m adding John H Armstrong to my blogroll. (Note that this is the blogroll for this site, not the Moderate Christian Blogroll. There were three posts that led to this:

    • Trinity United Church of Christ: Obama’s Home Church
      This post looks at some of the criticisms of Barack Obama based on faith. I find it particularly helpful, because it is written by someone who is not inclined to be a political apologist for Obama, but is interested in the truth. I have been concerned with the attacks on Obama, which tend to make a lie out of the phrase “person of faith.” Many of those who claim to be looking for “people of faith” in government have come to reject Obama’s faith because it doesn’t look precisely like their own.
    • The Day the Christian Right Redefined the Meaning of “Christian”
      This discusses Dr. James Dobson’s comment that Fred Thompson was not a Christian. It makes some very good points. Again, the author comes from a more conservative viewpoint than mine, but that just gives him a greater right to comment on conservative issues. It’s an excellent post.
    • The Ecumenism I Promote
      This is just a plain good, short article on ecumenism and what it is, and should be, about.

    This all looks like good, thoughtful material that deserves reading and consideration. This one goes on my blogroll!

  • When Adrian is Right He’s Really Right

    . . . and on the subject of enjoying God, he’s really right.

    I don’t mean to throw more fuel on the fire of this “hearing God” thing. Personally I think John Piper’s original article should be much, much less controversial than it is. The main thing that seems to be happening is that people are extending what he actually said to cover a great deal more ground. He may be right or wrong on many other things, but on this one he’s right, and I enjoyed that article.

    Adrian is also right about enjoying God. What is it with gloomy Christians? It seems almost as though some people are afraid that we might enjoy ourselves too much in church and miss out on all the serious stuff. In a perpetual search for doctrinal correctness, they fail to call people to joy as well.

    Now I’m not suggesting here that truth is unimportant. I think it is very much important to be right. Otherwise I would not respond to things in Christianity that I think are going dangerously wrong–even, for example, to respond to some of the hostility I sense to joy. I think it is true that we are supposed to enjoy God.

    My seminary experience, however, tells me that one can get a great deal of knowledge of God without enjoying him and without finding a relationship with him. My own seminary experience, heavily focused on Biblical studies was a progressive experience of learning more and more scripture and becoming more and more isolated from the community, and even from private devotion and worship. My life became totally centered around knowing stuff about God, and God himself faded into the background.

    Again, don’t get me wrong here. The knowledge is good, but it needs to go with a living experience, and I think that experience will be reflected in joy, a joy that stays with you even in sorrow. Without that joy I would not have made it through the last several years of my life, and I thank God for it. The same several years have made it clear to me also, however, that a sense of euphoria based on little or no foundation won’t work either.

    I hope all Christians will seek the joy that comes from experiencing God’s presence and hearing his voice, wherever and whenever they can.

  • A Response to The God Delusion

    Bruce Alderman has a humorous response to The God Delusion. Check it out here. I’ll reserve further comment until I have finished reading the whole book myself.

  • Hearing God’s Voice

    You know, John Piper has come on my radar on women’s ministry issues, and some of my comments have been pretty negative. But this article on his DesiringGod.org web site is something that resonates completely with me. For my skeptical friends, no, this is not the evidence you keep hoping I’ll provide. It’s simply an example of where someone else’s experience of God parallels mine so completely that I have to simply say “Wow!”

    Let me tell you about a most wonderful experience I had early Monday morning, March 19, 2007, a little after six o’clock. God actually spoke to me. There is no doubt that it was God. I heard the words in my head just as clearly as when a memory of a conversation passes across your consciousness. The words were in English, but they had about them an absolutely self-authenticating ring of truth. I know beyond the shadow of a doubt that God still speaks today.

    . . . continue reading from DesiringGod.org.

    Hat tip: Adrian Warnock’s Blog.

  • Consider Christianity Week

    Consider Christianity Week is an idea conceived by Elgin Hushbeck, Jr., author of the Consider Christianity Series. Note that I don’t come to this event completely without ulterior motives as I publish Elgin’s books and related study guides (Energion Publications).

    For me, Consider Christianity Week is an example of the kinds of principles presented in Philophronos Blogging, and we use a similar key text (1 Peter 3:15-16). This past year, Elgin asked Pacesetters Bible School, Inc., of which I’m president, to provide the umbrella for this event, which we gladly did. Pacesetters is sponsoring a series of events here in the Pensacola, FL area, and you can find a list of those here. In addition, Elgin will be recording some programs for the Running Toward the Goal podcast, also from Pacesetters Bible School.

    If you live in the Pensacola area, or within reasonable striking distance, consider dropping by for one or another of these events. We’re going to have fun and learn a lot, I think. If you’re a Christian blogger, consider posting a blog entry sometime during the coming week (March 25-31) on the essentials of the Christian faith, on Christian unity, or on apologetics. If you will trackback to this post, or send me an e-mail, I’ll be glad to post links to any related posts from here and also from the Pacesetters Bible School newsletter blog. So besides the value of posting on an excellent topic, you get a couple of links.

    We are going to have an online chat with Elgin on the 26th or 27th, sponsored by the Compuserve Religion Forum, but that date and time is not final yet. I will announce it here when it is.

  • Philophronos Blogroll Growing

    Laura has a good post welcoming the latest member of the Philophronos Blogroll, Pen of the Wayfarer. I join in welcoming a new member, and I’d also like to remind readers what this idea is about.

    But first, it is not about hiding your light under a bushel, diminishing your witness, or glossing over what you truly believe. If you look at Laura’s blog and mine you’ll see that she supports the war in Iraq while I oppose it. We haven’t changed our minds, nor do we pretend to think that the other position has more merit than we used to. What Philophronos blogging calls for is that you express your opinions about the facts, and much less about people’s character. Of course there are times when it is appropriate to talk about character, but when you do, it should relate to evidence and not just innuendo.

    There is no Philophonos police force, who read your blog to decide whether you have lived up to some set of rules. Rather, this is something you take on yourself, and your readers get to judge whether you’re living up to your claim. I think there is an enormous amount that we can learn from one another, which is one reason that I read more conservative blogs each day than liberal ones. My moderation tilts a bit leftward, so I balance my reading a bit rightward. And no, I don’t expect that conservative readers will believe that I have given their views adequate attention even so, but that’s not the point. The point is that I do learn from people who disagree with me.

    So if you’re a Christian blogger, consider the Philophronos Blogroll.

    Note: The text Laura quotes, 1 Peter 3:15-16, is also the theme text for Consider Christianity Week, concerning which I will blog next. (See also Consider Christianity Week 2007 on the Pacesetters Bible School, Inc. web site.)