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Category: Intelligent Design

  • The Gonzalez Tenure Issue

    The Gonzalez tenure issue has bothered me considerably, and not for the reasons that the Discovery Institute would like. There seems to be a bias that suggests that academic freedom must mean that there are no constraints whatsoever on what a professor may teach or do, before or after hiring and before or after tenure.

    It seems to me that this attitude would mean that one can’t evaluate the academic quality of a candidate, because to do so might reveal that he hold ideas that are truly stupid, and thus would disqualify him as a professor. I thought this was the purpose of tenure–you determined that someone could and did produce good work over a substantial period of time, and then protect them after that.

    I personally even question the tenure system to some extent, simply because it can put a person in a position to produce less quality and nonetheless be assured of a job. But the protection given to freedom through the system is probably well worth it.

    Mike Dunford of The Questionable Authority has written an analysis of the Discovery Institutes recent complaints in this case, and I think he is absolutely right. His post is titled The Discovery Institute and the Gonzalez Tenure Issue: Why Should Intelligent Design be Privileged?. Indeed why should it be privileged? It’s another case of the ID community wanting to get the respect without doing the work.

    Go read and enjoy!

  • Of Science, Faith, and Feelings

    Practically everyone today is heavily dependent on the results on the work of scientists. We are quite content to trust the work of scientists when we climb aboard airplanes, drive our cars, or post blog entries. Of course, a great deal of technological building has been done on the basic discoveries of the scientists, but it’s the theories that scientists have developed that allow these things to work, and we express our trust in the reliability of the scientific method each time we depend on such wonders of modern technology.

    We continue this trust when we hear of theories relating to gravity, various particles, and specific vectors and mutations involved in disease. The results of modern science are so pervasive in our lives, and its theories so pervasive in our thinking that it would be hard to imagine thinking or working without them.

    But all of this trust starts to fall apart for many people over one scientific theory: evolution. It’s the scary word, the one place where the scientists just must be wrong, and many people simply grab hold of any option available rather than to think that the scientists, who have been repeatedly shown to be right on so many things, may also be right on this one. If a small group of people became convinced that the rules of aerodynamics were faulty, hired PR firms to support their view, wrote popular books on it, and demanded equal time in our high school classrooms, they would simply be objects of ridicule. When the topic is evolution, it’s another matter. Experimental data, historical observations, the fossil record, and genetics all combine to provide support for the key elements of the theory of evolution–common descent and variation + natural selection. Yet what would be plenty of evidence if applied to any other scientific theory instead becomes controversial.

    Now this controversy is not significant among scientists (though more on that later). Rather, it is widespread in the general public, very often debated by people who have almost no idea of the theories concerning which they are arguing. The debate is also characterized by high emotion. Physicists debating their observations on the tracks of particles that have been theorized may be dealing with data that is much more difficult to interpret, but nobody puts the kind of emotion into that debate that goes into the debate about evolution.

    Why is this? Well, we’re dealing with myth, and more importantly about a creation myth, our basic story about who we are. And I’m not going to back off of the word “myth” here either. Myths are essentially powerful stories that help us define ourselves.

    Let me illustrate. Part of my story is that on my father’s side I’m descended from Mennonites who emigrated from Germany to the Crimean region of the Ukraine, and then from there to the Dakotas and from there to the Canadian prairie states. It’s a fairly nice story of down-to-earth, hard working people escaping persecution and finding a place to live in the new world. But supposing I were told suddenly that this history was all a lie, and I was instead a descendant of communist revolutionaries in Russia, or perhaps Nazi sympathizers in Germany. The problem would be more than a matter of facts; it would be one of identity and purpose. I personally think I should remain who I am in spite of what my ancestors may have done, but I have a good deal of emotion invested in who I think I am. Nonetheless, in the end, the evidence should win out. Now I know of no reason to suspect my ancestry, but I use this by way of illustration.

    For many, this is precisely what results from the story of evolution. They are invested in one myth–the idea that God formed the original human being from dirt and personally breathed life into him, and that they are, because of this, extra-special compared to all other life forms. Yet along comes another story, and this one says that they are >98% similar in their genetic make-up to Chimpanzees. This story tells them that rather than being descended from an original ancestor who was personally formed by God directly from dirt, they have ancestors who swung from trees, and before that who walked on all four, and if one goes back far enough, wiggled about in the ooze.

    Who are they if this new story is true? Many of them conclude that they would be nothing much, and probably unconsciously decide that the facts–this new story–has got to go. Unfortunately, those pesky scientists keep saying that this new story is true, and being scientists, they seem to think that the right way to go is with the facts. As a result we get into a major cultural conflict–the conflict between these two stories. The scientists keep saying that the new story is true; the detractors keep saying that the story is terrible.

    After all, that is why we’re constantly presented with only the two options. The issue is not to find the truest story; it is to defend the existing story. Other people have different stories? Who cares? It’s our story that’s the issue! This is also why it so frequently seems adequate to creationists–those who object to the story proposed by the scientists–just to point to some flaw or another in the theory of evolution. All they require is some semblance of an excuse to deny the new story and cling to the one that they already have.

    And this is why evolution is so controversial in the United States. There is not that much scientific controversy about it. Oh, scientists regularly tweak things here and there, and they look for more and more explanations for the incredible amounts of new data that scientific activity constantly generates, but there isn’t really any controversy about the general explanation. Many other people simply don’t understand the controversy at all. I recall hearing the gasp in one class I taught when I put up an overhead transparency with a line illustrating the age of the earth according to geology, and the young earth view. The second line wasn’t a line, of course. It was a dot at the bottom of the page. The students had simply never realized the huge difference between the two views. They thought folks were arguing over two time lines that were relatively similar. Suddenly things like small percentage errors in various dating techniques didn’t seem nearly so helpful to the young earth crowd.

    But to those determined to maintain the old story, and who believe that the two stories are not compatible, it’s important to keep people from learning to truly understand evolution. Over the last few decades there was first an attempt to prevent the teaching of evolution outright, and when that had failed, creationists returned with the attempt to add creationism to the science curriculum. When that failed on first amendment grounds, they came up with intelligent design (ID).

    Now I must note how ID works in practice. To anyone with a scientific mindset, ID sounds extremely odd. Having gone to great lengths to discover an intelligent designer, suddenly the ID advocates show no interest at all in precisely who the designer is. Using the old illustration from Paley–a watch on the beach–someone with a scientific mindset would not be satisfied with simply determining that the watch must be designed. He or she would want to know who designed it, how, and why. This curious lack of desire to finish the job is one of the indicators that ID is not science.

    But in the great war of the origin stories, ID does very well. In stories, we’re used to things being cryptic. People around the country grasp this very quickly–the intelligent designer is God. What ID does is allow people to sneak in the old story without actually admitting that they are doing so. And this becomes extremely important in terms of education.

    What do we want to teach in science class? Well, it’s pretty simple when we talk about gravity, aerodynamics, physics, and so much of science. We want to teach what actually is the best approximation of the truth we can find. We determine that in textbook design by looking at the output of the working scientists. A new theory in science, like a new story in mythology, has to be tested and find its place. But there is a big difference. In science, there is a fixed standard by which one can test the new story, loosely called the scientific method. If your new theory or your new experimental results are no good (cold fusion comes to mind), then they will be rejected. If they are good, an old theory may be overturned, and a new one replace it (tectonic plates come to mind). Since they are working with replicable results, the general acceptance of the scientific community is the basis for current science.

    Who else do you want determining it? A general popular vote? Would you get aboard an airplane designed by the collected opinions of a thousand random people in your community? (I suppose one might, if one assumed the airplane would never leave the ground–a very real probability!) Does it really matter just what the uninformed think is the correct view? When we are trusting our lives to something, we want the opinion of experts. In the case of evolution, we are suddenly concerned with the opinions of people who don’t even know what it is.

    Democracy is not a method of determining the truth. It’s a method of governing. It has its flaws, but generally works. But the best decision the general public could make would be to require that the science taught in schools is the science determined by the vast majority of working scientists–the folks who actually do understand the theory.

    But that’s not what some people want to do in Florida. There’s James A. Smith, Sr. of the Florida Baptist Witness (HT: Florida Citizens for Science Blog, which also provides a good analysis). In the referenced article, he’s decided to try to take down the scientific story, and thus hopefully leave room for the religious one, which he thinks is incompatible (please remember I’m going to comment on that alleged incompatibility below). He’s even discussed this with someone on the Board of Education who appears prepared to abandon facts and try to make people feel good.

    Let’s look at some of the tactics in this article.

    First, we have the “closed mind” tactic. It goes like this: “The absence of contradictory data is unnecessary as far as committee member Jonathan Smith is concerned. Smith told the Lakeland Ledger the new standards ‘closed the door on any ambiguity’ concerning evolution. ‘There isn’t both sides. There is only one side as far as science is concerned.’ How open-minded.” And the owner’s manual of my car closes the door on the possibility that it will run on a mixture of gas, water, and sugar. How open-minded! The difficulty here is not that scientists do not want contrary evidence presented. Rather, the problem is that what is advocated as contrary evidence actually is not. Shall I be open-minded and put water and sugar in my tank anyhow?

    Second, we have the argument from numbers, even though the numbers aren’t on their side. I find this particularly amusing coming from my fellow Christians, who quite properly will argue that the majority is not always right, and that people with substantial credentials aren’t always right, yet given half a chance, they call on numbers and credentials every time. Smith doesn’t miss the opportunity to do this. He puts the Discovery Institute up against the National Center for Science Education, as though both sides were represented more or less by “think tanks” or advocacy groups. Though I think the NCSE would do quite well against the Discovery Institute were that the case, in actual fact, on the side of evolution there is practically every major scientific organization around. In terms of numbers, Smith uses the Dissent from Darwin list of 700 scientific dissenters (that’s the number Smith cites; I didn’t recount!), to which the NCSE can respond with Project Steve, which currently has 848 scientists just named some form of “Steve” supporting evolution.

    The NCSE says:

    Project Steve mocks this practice with a bit of humor, and because “Steves” are only about 1% of scientists, it incidentally makes the point that tens of thousands of scientists support evolution. And it honors the late Stephen Jay Gould, NCSE supporter and friend.

    So 848 coming from just 1% of the names, and 700 (according to Smith) on the dissenter list. Interesting, no? So we try to argue from numbers that are not there.

    Then he gets into a conversation with Donna Callaway, a member of the Florida Board of Education. She actually gets down to what this is about–feelings. Smith quotes her thus:

    Although she is not attempting to “arouse controversy,” Callaway told me she is concerned about what’s best for children. “I want an informed public so that when these and other similar decisions are made that affect all of us that they are reflective of how the people feel.”

    The science standards should reflect how people feel? Not in aerodynamics, nor likely in medicine, or engineering. In those areas we quite rightly ignore how people feel and go for the actual data. I, for example, feel that I am much more likely to die flying in an airplane than driving a car. The facts are the reverse. I try to feel differently, and I’m fairly determined to behave differently, but my feelings just won’t come along. Despite nearly 7,000 hours in the air while in the U. S. Air Force, I don’t like getting on a plane now. But I do it because I know for a fact that I am actually safer in the aircraft than driving a car.

    Now are people’s feelings on this issue valid? Well, Smith again suggests that Christians should pray, and he doesn’t conceal what they should pray for very well. But in a statement that may come back to haunt her, Donna Callaway said:

    A longtime, active member of First Baptist Church in Tallahassee, Callaway added, “My hope is that there will be times of prayer throughout Christian homes and churches directed toward this issue. As a SBOE member, I want those prayers. I want God to be part of this. Isn’t that ironic?”

    The only ironic thing I find in that is that a Christian is asking God to help her conceal the truth as God revealed it in the structure of the universe he created.

    Which leads me to my notes on the two stories. The problem we have is that certain Christians have decided that in order to be true, their creation myth must be historically factual. Let’s take simply one point. Christians have been happy for centuries with the notion that God took plain old dirt, and from it formed the first human being. There’s your fine ancestry folks–dirt! And it is fine, because God got into the mix and made a living soul out of the dirt. Now supposing instead that God takes a fine looking Chimpanzee, and forms from him the first human being? Would that work? What is the difference? We have something that is not human, and it become human with God’s intervention. (Now note that I’m not proposing this as the actual, historical process. There are, in fact, many intermediates.)

    Let’s alter the story again. God, being eternal and not bound to the limited way in which we view things, designed a universe that would eventually produce humanity. Would that be adequate? We still have something that is not human, and with God in the mix, it becomes human. It is quite possible to read the Christian creation myth (and I acknowledge that we are not the originators of it) non-historically and nonetheless get the key meanings.

    Let me suggest this: God inspired the creation story in a bronze age world with bronze age cosmology. He did not teach them 21st century cosmology. He simply indicated how he was involved using the categories, vocabulary, and literary style which they already knew.

    There is no need to ditch the old story over the new one. More importantly for our educators, the creation story is not the subject of science class. The theory of evolution is. It doesn’t matter how people feel. You think a frog is icky, you dissect him anyhow in biology class (or do they do that any more?). Feelings may drive politics, far too much in fact, but they shouldn’t drive the science curriculum.

    Let me close here with a quote from the National Council of Churches brochure Science, Religion, and the Teaching of Evolution in Public School Science Classes:

    Q: Is it possible to think that both religion and science are important?

    Of course. Many people would say that religion and science are separate categories of learning. The evolutionary biologist, and historian of science, Stephen Jay Gould, described them as “nonoverlapping magisteria.” The judge in a recent Dover, Pennsylvania court decision that affirmed the teaching of evolution in science classes criticized what he believes is a “contrived dualism” that pits science against religion. He wrote, “In deliberately omitting theological or ‘ultimate’ explanations for the existence or characteristics of the natural
    world, science does not consider issues of ‘meaning’ and ‘purpose’ in the world. While supernatural explanations may be important and have merit, they are not part of science.” Many well informed and well educated people believe that the learnings of science and religion enrich each other.

    That will show, at least, that it is not just Henry the Heretic that holds that the two do not have to conflict!

  • A Note on Evolution, ID, and Ethical Behavior

    No, this isn’t going to be an extended discussion of the ethics of intelligent design advocates, though one of their number does come into it.

    One of the frequent charges made against evolutionary theory is that it undermines the basis for morals. Various anti-evolutionists have blamed evolutionary theory for everything from the holocaust to bad behavior in schools. It’s interesting that the only people who are saying that if evolution is true there is no basis for morality are the anti-evolutionists themselves, and thus they would have only themselves to blame if some young people took it to heart.

    I saw this kind of argument again today when I read a portion of the Kitzmiller v. Dover transcript (HT: Austringer, who actually quotes two more examples than I do). I normally don’t have the patience to read trial transcripts, and so tend to read other people’s summaries. But this section isn’t all that long and I think it will help make a couple of points about how ethical behavior is driven.

    First, however, I must mention the interesting ethical question of continuing to claim that the Foundation for Thought and Ethics didn’t get its day in court. Given a substantial record indicating the contrary, one wonders if that can be regarded as either thoughtful or ethical. (Such appears to be the activities of the Discovery Institute blog.)

    The following is a quotation from the testimony of Jon Buell, president of the Foundation for Thought and Ethics. Eric Rothschild (Q) is cross-examining.

    Q And then if you go over to the next page, in the first paragraph, you blame — you blame the current deplorable condition of our schools resulting in large part in denying the dignity of man created in God’s image, correct?

    A Yes, correct.

    Q And the rest of the paragraph builds on that concept, right?

    A That’s right. Many teachers tell me they have difficulty with — in the classroom with student behavior because there is no — there’s no sense of respect or accountability to the teacher, to the school, or to authority.

    Q And effectively what you’re advocating in this fundraising letter is that the FTE’s publications are an antidote or a partial antidote to these problems of hostility to Christian views and the cultural decay in our schools, isn’t that right?

    A I would say that they’re not an antidote to the hostility to Christian views, but they are an antidote to the hostility toward positive character qualities and moral traits and a positive outlook and philosophy.

    Now what I see there is a claim that cultural decay results from the teaching of the things that the FTE opposes, particularly in Of Pandas and People, and that this creates hostility toward positive character qualities and moral traits, and even against a positive outlook and philosophy. The mere notion that human beings are descended from a common ancestor with apes is so powerful that it will accomplish all of that.

    Two things come to my mind in response.

    The first is the Christian doctrine of total depravity. In general, Christians have not taught that good people are produced by a proper understanding of the universe, but rather that this is accomplished by the grace of God. There are innumerable major and minor variations on this theme, but the doctrine of total depravity basically says that humankind is fallen, unable to do anything of and for themselves of a morally positive nature.

    So exactly how is total depravity worse than common descent in terms of producing a hopeless attitude? Common descent does not even suggest that we are morally hopeless, but rather than we come from a morally neutral background in which our ancestors behaved as beasts, presumably in the way proper to their species and situation. We come to the point of ethical decision making at the same time when we take on whatever distinctive characteristics make us moral creatures.

    Total depravity tells us that we are, in fact, worthless–on our own. Now of course the goal is to make us come to God and be redeemed. But that is precisely my point. Christianity doesn’t preach the redemption of the really good people who understand that they were designed for moral behavior, but rather for fallen people who are doomed to moral failure.

    Which of these views gives the higher place to humanity? Which is more likely to produce moral people? Actually I see little reason to believe either one has a major impact. But if one can argue that evolution has an impact (I do not), then one can also argue that the doctrine of total depravity would have such an impact.

    Christians, as believers in redemption, should have no difficulty working within a context in which redemption is necessary. It does not matter if one was previously dirt being formed by the hand of God into a shape, or if one was an ancestral form of animal behaving according to its character. What matter is what one is now.

    But that leads me to ask just what is the primary motivation to bad behavior? I think that is demonstrated within this transcript. As humans we choose to regulate our behavior as part of societies. But we all have things that we truly desire. The question is generally whether our ethics will regulate the way we behave in order to achieve our desires. Can we deny ourselves a desired goal because the process required to get it is wrong, however we come to the conclusion that it is wrong?

    Well, the same section of trial transcript suggests that belief in intelligent design does not preclude taking the less ethical pathway. The desire of the defendants, and of the Foundation for Thought and Ethics was to have intelligent design taught in schools. FTE produced a textbook for that purpose. The Dover Area School Board acted for that purpose. In order to accomplish that goal, intelligent design must not be seen as religious. If it was found to be a religious idea, it would be rejected.

    The only ethical way to get a religious idea into American public school classrooms would be to change the constitution. Not that I’m suggesting such a thing be done. But coming out openly and saying, “We want to promote Christianity in public schools. The establishment clause is in our way. Let’s get rid of the establishment clause,” would be ethical, however inadvisable. People could get a look at just what the ID advocates wanted. (Note that not all ID advocates want this. My comments here refer specifically to those trying to introduce ID into public school classrooms.)

    In cross-examination, again, Eric Rothschild brought up five sources that indicate that FTE had as its purpose the promotion of Christian thought. I’m just going to quote three of them:

    1. The from 990

      Q And the explanation that the Foundation provides to the IRS is that its primary exempt purpose is promoting and publishing textbooks presenting a Christian perspective, isn’t that right?

      A That’s what it says.

      Q Okay. And Pandas is one of those publications, isn’t it?

      A No, Pandas doesn’t fit this because this is not an accurate statement.
      [the quotation begins on page 84, line 12]

      So either the form 990 was falsified, or Of Pandas and People has a different purpose than the one stated.

    2. Then the corporate charter:

      Q If you go to the third page of the document, it identifies the purposes for the — for which the corporation1 was formed?

      A Right.

      Q And what it states is that the primary purpose is both religious and educational, and then it talks about making known the Christian gospel and understanding of the Bible?

      A Yes.

      Q Is it your testimony that that’s also an inaccurate submission?

      A It was boilerplate that the attorney that was helping us become established used. I felt that it was inappropriate. He said we need to be clear in identifying yourself as having a genuine nonprofit purpose, and so the language that originated with me is the phrase, “but is not limited to.”

      Q And everything else was the attorney’s?

      A Yes, most of it, I think nearly all of it, possibly all of it.
      [the quotation begins on page 85, line 24]

      In this case we appear to have a goal–formation of a non-profit–and it is therefore OK, even for an organization named “Foundation for Thought and Ethics” to just use the boilerplate. Apparently identifying their actual activities wouldn’t do.

      In fact, I have no doubt that the religious purpose was truthful, and it became inconvenient later. The problem is that either the document must be false, or the testimony about the document must be false. There’s some lying involved here somewhere.

      I am also fairly certain that nobody is so careless as to late a completely incorrect statement of purpose go through in a corporate charter. Normally you would get something you can live with. I may be optimistic about human nature, however.

    3. The organization’s web site:

      Q Mr. Buell, this document is something that was1 pulled off the Internet, but you recognize it as a purpose statement for the Foundation that used to be distributed?

      A Yes. I don’t actually — I don’t actually remember this statement, but it’s obviously an FTE statement.

      Q And in this statement it says, “The Foundation for Thought and Ethics has been established to introduce Biblical perspective into the mainstream of America’s humanistic society, confronting the secular thought of modern man with the truth of God’s word.”

      A Yes, that’s right.

      Q And then it talks about how there would be a public — a textbook published which will present the scientific evidence for creation side by side with evolution.

      A Yes, and this, by the way, was written before — I can just tell from the language, this was very early, before the National Academy defined the term creation science. So the terms of art that are in play today were not in existence at that time.

      Q This was just your use of the word creation?

      A Yes, right.

      Q And into the third paragraph it describes the Foundation as a Christian think tank, correct?

      A Yes. I would say in contrast to that, there’s what we’ve done for over 25 years, which is not to be a Christian think tank, but to actually engage in primary works of science.

      Q And that includes Pandas, correct?

      A It includes Pandas, yes.

      And there we have it. What they’ve announced that they have done for all those years is not what they have actually been doing. There is some extremely disingenuous work with the definition of creationism–the National Academy of Sciences doesn’t really have the power to control definitions–but that would require more writing.

    Conclusion: It is more important to accomplish the purpose–getting ID into public schools–than it is to be truthful about the purpose of one’s organization.

    This shows, I think what is the primary challenge to ethical behavior, and its not evolution. It is the attitude that says that if we have a goal we regard as desirable we can take any means necessary to accomplish that goal. In this case that manifests itself by the denial that an organization is actually pursuing Christian values.

    But it manifests itself also in the claim that evolution results in all kinds of behavioral and moral problems. This claim is made in opposition to evolutionary theory–we shouldn’t teach it because it causes deteriorating morals. But the effect of a fact does not impact the truth of that fact.

    To be quite honest I’d rather evolution weren’t true either. I like to preach about a loving God, and it would be much nicer to be able to show a really cuddly process of creation, a loving God carefully crafting creatures and not allowing them to fight it out. But my desire does not change the facts. And there are good points about the facts as well. A less hands-on, saccharine God, though perhaps not my first choice may be a better choice. But it still doesn’t matter. What is, is.

    By attempting to argue against evolution based on the way it makes people feel, anti-evolutionists fall directly into this same trap. That which they desire to be true, must be true. But of course reality rolls blithely on, unconcerned with their desires, and people of integrity want to know what actually is, not what they wish.

  • Creation-Evolution Links 11/13/2007

    I think I’m at least in the right month this time, which is a good thing because there are some really interesting things to read on the creation-evolution controversy.

    Some time ago I wrote about a waste of $25 million represented by the creation museum in Kentucky. As it turns out it was a waste of more like $27 million, though it does appear to have found a purpose in providing some amusement. John Scalzi was persuaded (or paid) by his readers to visit the museum and report, and the result is a quite snarky, but enjoyable piece. For those of my readers who prefer to avoid certain four letter words, be warned–this article uses them. If you can handle that, I recommend it. Scalzi also provides a slide show, which is linked from the main entry.

    Carl Zimmer provides some amusement by linking to a slide show on the changes in terminology used by the creationist movement. Is ID creationism or is it creationism? Those of us to followed the Dover trial are already acquainted with this, but the graphics are nice.

    I always like links coming in, but when certain blogs put you on their blogroll, it’s a real honor. Quintessence of Dust, Dr. Stephen Matheson’s blog, is one of these. The reason I feel that way is that Dr. Matheson takes great care in his blog writing, and is the very essence of a modern science blogger (OK, apologies, couldn’t resist).

    What brought on this complimentary note? Well, he is asking other scientists to informally peer review some of his writing on his blog. They are catching some minor errors, and he’s correcting them. Folks, that is modeling the attitude of a scientist, and I wish I had an award or something I could throw his way, but a compliment will have to do.

    Oops, I forgot to mention that I have written the final post in my series on the primeval history in Genesis, dealing with Genesis 11. I color code the traditional source documents and make some literary/exegetical comments.

  • Theological Arguments Against Evolution: Sin and Death

    Yesterday I wrote about the senses in which the phrase “bad theology” is used in the creation-evolution debate and in particular on the question of ID. To call something “bad theology” generally requires either a challenge to the internal logic of the statement, or a reference to a particular faith community, because there is no single “good theology” against which theological statements can be tested.

    I’d like to follow up by looking at a theological argument against evolution, and how it relates to the some faith groups. While there has been considerable argument against intelligent design on theological grounds, the theological objections to evolution have been addressed less frequently.

    In fact, I am frequently told that a belief in evolution really doesn’t have any theological consequences. The Bible tells us that God created the world, science tells us how. The only folks who have a problem with this are a few who incomprehensibly treat the Bible as a science textbook. There are two problems with that. First, there are quite a considerable number of folks who believe that the Bible is true in a sufficiently literal sense that they expect to connect the factual dots of Genesis to scientific data. They are frequently addressed with the rather inadequate statement “You shouldn’t take the Bible so literally!” Second, an excessively literal reading of scripture is not the sole theological problem with the theory of evolution.

    Regarding the first point, the issue is a bit more complex than simply “not taking the Bible literally.” One has to ask just how one is to take it. I’m not going to address this in detail in this post (I talk about it a great deal more in my book When People Speak for God), but at a minimum one needs to specify how someone ought to take the Bible. For example, assuming Genesis 1 is not narrative history (one of the things loosely grouped as literal) what is it? I would suggest that it is liturgy, and that in turn suggests some things about how to understand it.

    But today I want to look at a theological argument in a different form. Instead of arguing that evolution must be incorrect because the Bible makes certain historical claims, one can argue that evolution must be incorrect based on certain theological claims. These theological claims may be derived from the Bible, but the important issue is that they seem to contradict certain things derived from evolution.

    Those who are not religious, or specifically not Christian will find this a strange form of argument, but it is valuable to see how certain people think about these issues in any case, and to realize that there are many for whom evolution poses substantial theological problems, quite apart from the interpretation of Genesis 1-11 as narrative history.

    Sin and death is such an issue, and in my experience, it is the key issue. The theological proposition involved states that physical death is the result of human sin, and that had human beings remained loyal to God, there would be no death. Now I’ve discussed this position from the point of view of theodicy in Theodicy: Taking a Stab at Natural Evil. Since some may have a hard time comprehending this argument, it states that evolution cannot be true simply because it involves creatures dying before there were human beings to have committed sin. As I discuss in the referenced post, this is a problem for old earth creationism as much as it is for evolution, and Dembski has proposed an alternate suggestion, that God created physical death as a sort of pre-emptive response to sin, which God’s foreknowledge told him would occur.

    But I’m dealing here solely with those who hold a chronological relationship. In this view human beings are created perfect in a world without death, they rebel against God, and death results. Obviously, for someone who holds that position, evolution cannot possibly be true. I grew up with that view as a member of the Seventh-day Adventist church. It took me some time to step away from it, as it can get pretty much ingrained.

    I can now argue against the theology involved, pointing out that Genesis doesn’t actually say that, but in fact suggests that barring the way to the tree of life is a way to prevent human beings from becoming immortal. One can understand spiritual death in many other passages that relate to death. None of that really matters for my purposes here; this particular position demonstrates that there are theological consequences to belief in evolution, and the presence of physical death as a fundamental fact of the universe is one of those.

    Indeed, one key mental exercise I propose to such people is to propose a universe in which there is no death and yet there are things such as “fruit” to eat. How exactly does such a thing work? In particular, choice seems to be a fundamental of the universe and of the Bible, and what exactly is choice without a chance of failure?

    I heard this very recently presented in quite different terms, dealing with God’s care, grace, and gentleness. How could a God who teaches the law of love create by means of such violence? Then there are those promises of a future, peaceful world where “the wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the ox; and dust shall be the serpent’s food. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith Jehovah.” Isaiah 65:25 (ASV). Surely if it’s promised for the future world, it must also have been true of the past!

    Now I personally would compare this approach to a belief in verbal dictation of scripture, for example. People accept this position while ignoring the abundant evidence of different writers, backgrounds, perspectives and so forth throughout. Don’t come to a conclusion of how something ought to be, and then assume that it is that way. The physical evidence for evolution is extremely strong, and for an old earth it is overwhelming, either of which would require substantial modification of this particular doctrine.

    The key thing to remember, however, is that for someone who holds the specific form of this doctrine I cited, there is a serious theological impediment to accepting the theory of evolution, and this is based not necessarily on reading the Bible literally, although the sequence is. You can argue the evidence for evolution as much as you want, but they won’t be moved, because they have a key theological proposition that directly contradicts it.

    I have been interested to note as well that my own view of God is perceived as more distant, because I believe that God honors choice and allows the consequences to take place. In fact, I believe those who suggest I see God as more distant are quite correct. I believe God is distant enough to allow human responsibility to be meaningful.

    This separates me just a bit from the NOMA (non-overlapping magisteria) approach, since I hold that the discoveries of science can have a substantial impact on one’s theology. They certainly have had such an impact on my own theology. In general, I believe NOMA to be the correct approach, and theology and science must clearly be separated to prevent theology from attempting to predetermine the results of scientific research. (I’m reminded of the notice at my graduate school offering grant money to those who would do research “to support a 6,000 year model of the earth’s history.) But physical reality should have an impact on theology.

  • Bad Theology and ID

    Quite frequently in the debate over intelligent design someone mentions that ID is “bad theology.” That someone might even be me! The problem is that it is not all that easy to delineate just what is bad theology. My bad theology may well be someone else’s belief system. Of course, the reverse may also be true. There isn’t a common set of standards by which someone can judge just what is bad and good in theology when the term is used in a general sense.

    In addition, if ID is bad theology, so what? If the primary issue is whether it belongs in the science classroom, or in peer-reviewed science journals, what difference does it make whether it is good theology or bad? The issue seems irrelevant from that point of view.

    But when we recall that a large part of this battle is political, then we can perhaps understand why the accusation of bad theology is frequently heard. But the question remains of just how one can tell what is good and bad in theology.

    There are two senses in which I believe “bad theology” can justly be referenced in the discussion of ID. There is one overarching point that I must make first, and that is that the simple statement that ID is theology rather than science is more relevant than the quality of the theology involved. One could also say that ID is philosophy, and it would be hard to draw the line in that case. Personally I think it is a theological construct not very cleverly disguised as science, but that is another subject.

    As an aside, it is this variety in the standards, premises, and even processes of theology that differentiate it so much from science and make the teaching of particular religious beliefs so inappropriate for the public school classroom. Teaching about beliefs is another matter. One should ask whether ID behaves like science or theology in this sense.

    The first sense in which ID can be described as bad theology is by showing that it is not internally coherent, i.e. that arguments made in favor of it are inconsistent with one another or are not derived from the stated (or assumed) premises. It is often hard to support such a claim, simply because it’s often hard to tell just what those premises are. It would be inconsistent, for example, to argue that the design of the first living organism requires a supernatural agent, but then claim to have resolved the issue by positing an intelligent natural designer.

    ID advocates rarely do this in one and the same paragraph or speech, but this kind of inconsistency shows up in the difference between the way ID is presented to religious audiences and to secular ones. To the secular audiences the designer is presented as unknown, but potentially natural (as though that would solve anything), while to religious audiences are told (or at least permitted to think) that the designer must be God.

    If ID could be satisfied by a natural designer, then it is either not theology at all or very bad theology. It really bad science, since it proposes an undefined and unbounded entity, and declines to investigate it.

    This type of theological critique requires that the one giving the critique shares some standards with the one critiqued, but only in a minimal way. Both would have to accept, for example, that theology ought to be internally consistent. If that is not the case, this will blend over into my second category.

    Second, one may be asserting that the theology of ID contradicts some important aspect of the theology of a specific group. A simple version of this is pointing out that teaching evolution is not anti-Christian, because there are a substantial number of Christians who accept the theory of evolution. One might point out specific groups, such as the Roman Catholic Church, or the United Methodist Church (of which I’m a member).

    The creationist movement in general has been guilty of a good deal of sleight of hand in dealing with groups. When they want there to be lots of creationist, everyone who believes in God is a creationist. They then turn around and say that theistic evolutionists are not really Christians when challenged with the number of Christians who do accept evolution.

    This sort of behavior is illustrated by recent comments by Michael Behe about Kenneth Miller. Miller believes that the universe is designed by God, yet does not believe in intelligent design. Behe wants to claim him on the one hand, but exclude him on the other, because he doesn’t believe quite enough. He believes in design, but not the (alleged) theory of design. (Pim van Meurs discussed this today on the Panda’s Thumb blog.)

    “Bad theology” in this sense, means theology that contradicts key tenets of a particular group or fails to meet the standards of that group in terms of how theology is formed. Since it is so community based, it is clearly only of value in helping to clarify those groups that support, or are likely to support a particular view and those who will not.

    It is in this second sense that theological critique of ID is most important. As I’ve mentioned, it is really irrelevant just how good of theology is contained in an idea that is trying to masquerade as science. A scientist can justifiably say, “So what?” But in the political and PR game, one of the issues is trying to treat the teaching of evolution as an attack on Christianity. It is quite critical, in that case, to be able to point out how many Christians find the theology involved in ID unacceptable.

    In my own area of work, religious education in local churches, this becomes very important as well, because the ID propaganda mill is working quite well. Many churchgoers, even those who accept evolution, are convinced that the whole argument is over whether God is the ultimate designer of the universe. Stated in those terms, they are in favor of intelligent design. When they realize that ID searches for specific evidence of God’s design at the molecular level, they generally become much less attracted to it. It looks like ID is proposing that God is more the designer of some pieces of the universe than of others. Of course the idea that one can prove design of the whole by discovering instances of design in the whole is as old as Paley’s watch, at least.

    The theological critique of ID is important in Christian theology, in which Christian theologians need to look carefully at the implications of ID within their own faith traditions. This is where serious questions of a “god of the gaps” argument arise, for example. Scientists do not, and need not, care whether a particular argument is a god of the gaps argument.

    There are also the very interesting issues of the origin and design of damaging organisms raised by Behe in The Edge of Evolution. I have not read this yet, so I cannot critique it directly, but I will certainly be reading it carefully looking for claims of intelligent design of specific pathogens.

    These sorts of issues will have a great impact on how acceptable ID will be in Christian circles, which in turn has a great impact on the success of various political goals related to such success.

  • Shocker: ID is PR with Little Science

    I was working on writing this up earlier, but go distracted, so now I have the excellent post by PvM on the Panda’s Thumb to reference, thus saving me time and words.

    Joe Wolf, president of Florida Citizens for Science was quoted in the saying:

    Joe Wolf, president of Florida Citizens for Science, called the draft standards a “wonderful” blueprint for science education. Wolf, of Winter Haven, said the evolution debate holds little interest to most scientists, who accept it as fact. That’s why the issue did not become controversial during the standards-writing meetings, he said.

    “It’s a PR issue,” he said. “And it’s a religious issue. In the scientific community, it’s not an issue.”

    For most of us, this is a pretty obvious statement. The Panda’s Thumb write-up notes how Crowther carefully dodges the actual statement and responds to something else. He is thus enabled to express a great deal of outrage without proving anything.

    His post is titled Florida Citizens for Science Excommunicate Prominent Scientists from “Scientific Community” For Doubting Darwin, a very pretentious title which misses the point entirely. I’m not certain what he means by “excommunicate” but it doesn’t seem to relate to anything we do in Florida Citizens for Science.

    On the other hand, our officers are quite free to notice the obvious. OK, ID supporters, where is the actual scientific controversy? Where are the scientific papers supporting ID? I see a huge amount of PR, a huge amount of popular literature, a very large number of claims, but the actual scientific controversy doesn’t seem to exist. All we need here is to point out actual scientists engaged in a scientific controversy. Scientists arguing philosophy won’t do. Press releases won’t do it either. What we need is scientists engaging in a scientific dispute.

    What we get, however, is interesting. It shows actual scientists operating within a scientific framework developing and improving the theory of evolution just like they ought to do. Obviously a great deal has been learned since Darwin. If that was not the case, evolution truly would be a theory in crisis. Instead, the very debate that shows a healthy, theory operating under the stresses of scientific discovery, developing and growing as it went along. It shows that rather than some kind of Darwinian conspiracy, as the ID folks suggest, there is healthy, active science, capable of correcting errors and making new discoveries.

    Thanks, Mr. Crowther, for providing evidence for the health of evolutionary theory!

  • Of Colossal Wastes of Time

    Jon Blumenfeld thinks that reconciling religion and science is a colossal waste of time. He says:

    Time for battle stations in the comments section, because I am going to say something that is sure to ruffle some feathers: The attempt to reconcile religion and science in general, and the bible and evolution in particular, is a colossal waste of time.

    He’s apparently particularly concerned that the most recent Reports of the National Center for Science Education contains many articles on the topic.

    I have a suggestion: If you believe reconciling religion and science is a colossal waste of tim, just don’t do it. Hmm. Come to think of it, I don’t think he does. Problem solved. Well, not quite, because apparently he doesn’t like anyone else to take their time doing it. Now I’m not going to bother to defend theism. I rarely do. I’m not even going to suggest that any particular group of people need to read material on religion and science.

    But the NCSE is interested in sound science education in the United States, and particularly in the teaching of evolution (see their about page), and in the United States there are a variety of groups that support that goal. I, for example, am a Christian Bible teacher who supports the teaching of evolution (and the absence of creationism of any variety including ID) in public schools.

    As an advocacy organization, NCSE is simply intelligent to serve all of the constituent groups who are likely to support the cause they advocate–sound science education, and particularly the inclusion of evolution. I know atheists are making a few gains as a percentage of the population right now, but sound science standards for public schools are going to need the support of some religious people.

    I don’t mean to sound cynical, but this is simple, basic politics. The NCSE staff seems to understand it quite well, which is one reason they are very effective. We can go ahead some day and have an argument over religion vs. atheism. But let’s not mix up the battle for sound science education get confused with that issue.

    (HT: The Panda’s Thumb)

  • Mixed Emotions about Sweden

    I read this news article from Sweden with mixed emotions (HT: Panda’s Thumb).

    My first reaction is negative. Since these schools are faith based, it seems appropriate to me that they teach from the perspective of the faith involved in sponsoring the school. I relate this to my own experience being home schooled and being taught creationism. At the end of High School, my grades and test scores were substantially above average, and I know many home schooled or Christian schooled kids who have a similar experience.

    Personally I would prefer to have gotten down to learning what evolution actually was earlier. It would have saved me some time exploring this on my own, but in general, I would prefer to leave such choices to parents, as long as the children in question are able to pass the appropriate tests. I prefer directing education through the requirements for standardized testing or for admission to the next level, rather than prescribing a curriculum in faith-related schools.

    But there is actually the real question. Sweden’s schools are not organized like American schools apparently. The schools in question are funded by the state even though they are faith based. This triggers the other side of my mixed emotions. If the taxpayers need to pay for it, then the state should control the content. All church related schools, as well as my home schooling, were entirely funded by my parents, the same parents who chose to teach me creationism. They chose it; they paid for it.

    I also should emphasize that I believe the correct choice in using public money to fund education at the elementary or high school level is to use that money to teach consensus science, and that means evolutionary theory, and no brand of [tag]creationism[/tag], including ID.

    I’m not certain if there are non-state funded schools in Sweden that would not be subject to this mandate or if all schools are state funded in one way or another. That’s an interesting question for further research.

    Americans should be careful in reading this story and blog reactions to it, because it does not reflect our situation in terms of either funding or the general structure of our educational system.

  • Sunday Afternoon Evolution Notes and Links

    I’ve been reading a number of really good posts on the creation, evolution, and intelligent design, but I only have a very small amount to say about each one, so I’m going to combine them into a post.

    The first is from An Evangelical Dialogue on Evolution, and is titled Does Evolution lead to Moral Relativism? Making the Bogeyman even Scarier. With that title, how can you go wrong?

    Martin notes:

    I have commented before that humanity’s connectedness to all other life on planet earth does not contradict the fact that we are created in the image of God. What needs to be addressed is the contention that the mechanism of natural selection somehow leads to moral relativism. Briefly, the acceptance of natural selection should not lead us to accept moral relativism since first, it acts on populations not individuals, and second, it is descriptive not prescriptive.

    He then goes on to back this up in some more detail. I appreciate his writing, because he illustrates what I have frequently claimed. Creation-evolution is not a conservative/liberal debate in Christianity, even though a much higher percentage of Christian liberals would accept the ToE. But there are a substantial number of educated evangelicals who also accept the ToE. The comments to this one are also very interesting.

    Second, via The Panda’s Thumb I found this article from Talk.Reason which deals with the impact of creationism in the Muslim world. I have been told by many Muslims that they have no problem with evolution, and I’ve wondered if there would not be a similar problem in portions of Islam to what there is in Christianity. It looks quite possible that there is. Fundamentalists of all stripes do have a higher percentage chance of rejecting mainstream science on various subjects. The question remains of how much of the Muslim world should be viewed as fundamentalist (or sympathizers). I keep hearing various answers on that one.

    Finally, there’s this video clip, which apparently someone thinks should help convince people of ID:

    The problem is, as I remind people about spam and various internet scams, people wouldn’t do it so much if there weren’t people who would actually believe it. Thus there are a number of people out there who find this argument convincing: “It looks designed, it’s complex, and we don’t understand every detail, so it must be designed. Why do those stubborn scientists keep trying to understand the process?” (Before someone points it out, that is not a quote from the video. It’s a summary of an argument I’ve heard over and over.)

    I found this via this post on PT which does a good job of stomping on the arguments in question. Larry Moran at Sandwalk similarity hits the bullseye with some very brief comments.

    The weird argument in this case is that Dembski tries to take a swipe at Evolution: Triumph of an Idea [my brief review], by using the eye pictures on the jacket as an example of how evolutions, he says, put a few pictures together leading from less to more complex and then say, “See, it evolved!”

    If one is charitable one will assume that he did not read the book at all, or was really badly distracted. I will just suggest that if one wants to find the actual science, or in this case the popularization of science, one will have to actually open the book itself. Don’t assume that the science is exhausted by the pictures on the cover.

    Having posted a note on Carl Zimmer’s wonderful book, I should note for anyone who doesn’t know (I trust most of you already know this), he has a blog The Loom, which I follow regularly.