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  • No, Burning Books Is NOT Worthy of Respect

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    The Fifth Column has a post titled On Burning Books (HT: Divine Ripples), referring specifically to the recent burning of a Qur’an. He concludes that:

    It may not be prudent, it may not be useful, but it is a stand worthy of respect.

    I disagree. Book burning is either the petulant reaction of fearful people looking for control, but lacking convincing arguments, or a way to gain undeserved attention.

    The article cites a really bad reason why one might respect book burning: Church councils did it through the years. Wow! Lots of church people gathering together and doing something stupid! Who would have ever imagined it? It just proves that Christians are no more immune from stupidity and control issues than any other group of people.

    Here’s a quote:

    And it wasn’t just the Koran that burned. During the Middle Ages, the Talmud was frequently targeted for the fire by Church authorities precisely because of the numerous blasphemies concerning Christ and the Blessed Virgin that it contains. Throughout Europe, the book was formally put on trial and censored or burnt, in much the same way Terry Jones tried and burnt the Koran.

    And this is somehow an example of a good idea?

    I want to make clear her that I’m talking about we should do, what’s a good idea, and not what should be legal. I would never burn the American flag, even in protest, but I firmly believe it should be legal to do so. I would never burn a copy of the Qur’an, but I believe the action should be legal. Lots of stupid things are and should be legal. I do not believe the burning of the Qur’an justifies violent actions in response, just as I do not believe that any insult to Christianity, such as burning a Bible, would justify a violent response from Christians.

    Now to be fair, the article does question both the prudence and effectiveness of the tactic. But nonetheless the author concludes that there is something here to be respected.

    Our problem with Islam is not that we don’t get to say enough nasty things about Muslims, or that we can’t respond to Islam. We can and do respond respectfully on many occasions. But when someone burns a copy of the Qur’an it sends another message, not one of respectful disagreement, but one of hatred. It does nothing to stop even one act of terrorism. It does nothing to convince any radical Muslim that he is wrong, nor any Muslim, of course. It is the adult equivalent of a child’s temper tantrum.

    I’m reminded of a time many years ago when I was in a group of young men. One person got angry at another and started swinging his arms in a sort of suggestion he was going to punch the other one out. He kept saying, “Hold me back! Hold me back!” But he never actually approached the other guy, who would doubtless have won any fight between them. Nobody tried to hold him back either, because we knew he was going to be ineffective. The one difference between this event and that one is that the purported target exercised restraint.

    We don’t need to take our cues from the radicals. We don’t need to become like them. They are not concerned about who they kill. We should be. They are not making distinctions between one American and another. We should recognize distinctions in their camp. We should not let terrorism make us less than we are.

    I fear, however, that it has already happened to some extent.

     

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  • My (Alleged) Hatred of Fundamentalists

    Well, as I usually do when I try to be brief (a very rare event!), I stepped in it again and managed to set off some warning bells for some people when I posted about the teacher who was arrested in the Sudan for naming a teddy bear “Mohammed.” Actually, nobody accused me of hatred, but that just looked more provocative in the title.

    First, let me confess that I do not have much sympathy for fundamentalism and the attitudes that seem to drive it. You will probably feel that as I post. The idea of a fixed understanding of the truth to which we must cling bluntly just seems silly to me. As I observe the world, while I still believe there are things that are true and things that are not, I believe that our understanding of these must constantly change as long as we remain imperfect. I don’t know about the rest of you, but I haven’t yet attained perfection, and using my best rose-colored glasses, I can’t yet foresee the time when I will be perfect. So yes, fundamentalism is, from the start, not my cup of tea.

    So fundamentalism, as such, is something that I do oppose, whether it is Christian fundamentalism, Muslim fundamentalism, or any other variety. But there is a difference between opposition to something, and believing that it is essentially violent or at least physically dangerous. There are more characteristics than just doctrines that go into that additional problem. In addition, I would note that just what makes one a “fundamentalist” differs by faith. That’s why I will point to a different line at the end of this post.

    As I said in the previous posts, I think the most dangerous variety of fundamentalism is currently most commonly manifested by fundamentalist Muslims. The violent reaction to the publication of cartoons of Mohammed, and the recent “teddy bear” arrest indicate a high level of willingness to engage in violence over opinions. That willingness to engage in violence over one’s beliefs is the key characteristic that must be added to fundamentalism before I become seriously concerned.

    Thus John Calvin in Geneva steps across a line when he burns Servetus at the stake for his beliefs. Of course, we should give poor Calvin due consideration based on the social structure and beliefs of his era, where such a thing was more common, yet I would note that a reformation that corrected any number of alleged theological errors somehow failed to correct what seems to me the greatest error of all–the notion that we can torture and kill other people over their beliefs and words. But one thing at a time, I guess.

    Similarly, groups in the United States that use the word “Christian,” however far they may vary from what I would regard as Christian, do advocate violence in the name of Jesus. Fortunately for us here, their numbers are small. I do not worry on a day by day basis that there will be a terrorist attack by Christian fundamentalists, or even that there will be one by splinter groups calling themselves Christians. The event is simply too rare.

    Further, I see a big difference between traditional Christian fundamentalism–belief in the “fundamentals”–and the violent splinter groups. They may both accept the major fundamentals, but the difference is in their extreme us vs. them attitude combined with a willingness to engage in violence over what one believes and expresses.

    I hate to use slippery slope arguments, because they can be used on just about anyone. Even a nice, center of the road position has a slippery slope on either side. But I think a slippery slope warning is in order. If one indulges oneself in an us vs. them paradigm, one is in danger at some point of becoming violent and dangerous. The problem is with “at some point.” All of us have some “us vs. them” factors in our lives. Why do I belong to a particular church congregation? Surely there are things there that I like more than those in another nearby congregation. It’s a bit of us vs. them.

    If I start wanting to tear down the other church’s signs, yell at them out the car window, or otherwise harass them, then I am crossing a dangerous line. It’s easy to become more and more hostile as we remain separate because we simply don’t know one another well enough. Then there is the problem of repeated division. As we become so certain that our opinions are right and will never need correction, we become less willing to fellowship with people who differ from our position.

    Within a few mile radius of my own house I can identify at least three major divisions of Baptists. I don’t mean denominations, but rather movements. There are Southern Baptists, in this area a very substantial number. (For what it’s worth, I don’t call them fundamentalists, but evangelicals.) Then there are independent Baptists, who quite generally regard the Southern Baptists as too liberal. Then there is the home church of Peter Ruckman, KJV-Only writer, who regards all of the above as way off the liberal edge of the map.

    How far off the map does someone need to be before we get concerned? Well, within reason, I think we can express concern about any beliefs we regard as incorrect. As long as we are willing to hear other points of view and to be corrected as necessary, this is just part of life. I’m human enough that I will express myself with greater and greater vigor as I perceive someone to differ from my own position.

    The line that must not be crossed, in my view, is the one where I allow violence over opinions held and somehow expressed. (It’s a separate subject, but I believe that any violence that is not strictly defensive is to be rejected, and even some defensive violence.) No matter how someone insults my faith, I do not have the right to respond with violence.

    Right now, this violence is coming largely from the Muslim world, but that is not an eternal verity. Christians are not immune. We become incensed when people speak against Jesus or the Bible. I have heard such speech referred to as persecution with people calling for Christians to prepare to defend themselves. If such defense is to be done also with peaceful expression, that’s no problem, but in many cases I know that is not the case.

    And I do not mean only unofficial violence. Violence engaged in against others because of their opinions is even more dangerous when done as official policy. Who sets the boundaries?

    Again, lest I be misunderstood, I do not mean any of this to say that we cannot respond to terrorism. But it does mean that we must not engage in a war against Islam. For the most part, despite my profound objections to some of our actions overseas, I don’t see us engaging, at least intentionally, in such a war. I do, however, see quite a lot of sentiment here for it.

    Finally, while I do not accept the idea that violence always begets violence, i.e. I do believe that there are times when the use of violence is required, I do believe that any time one engages in violence beyond the provocation, becomes the first to resort to violence, or uses violence when other options are open, one will only produce more violence. It is that boundary between between having strong beliefs, and having beliefs so strong that one can do violence because of them that is where I see the danger.

    Hatred? I hope not! But strong opposition, and a willingness to respond vigorously–absolutely.

  • 15 Days for Insulting Mohammed Not Enough for Some

    A British teacher was sentenced to 15 days in prison and deportation (which should be a blessing!) for insulting Mohammed. You can read the story here.

    Yet this outrage is not sufficient to satisfy some Muslim hardliners. There were protests in Khartoum calling for her execution. The teacher, Gillian Gibbons, has said she doesn’t want this to raise resentment against Muslims, and she is to be commended for her tolerant attitude. I, on the other hand, suggest that this is another danger of the extreme danger of religious fundamentalism, most commonly and forcefully demonstrated in the Muslim world at the moment.

    Nobody requires this kind of protection from insult. Those proclaimed as prophets should receive more, rather than less scrutiny. Truth benefits from being questioned and defended. Hyper-sensitivity is a sign of fear–fear of being totally wrong.

    This should not be placed on all of Islam, but it should warn us of the extent to which extremes can take us. Religious fundamentalism is but one major manifestation.

  • George Bush and God Concepts

    A number of folks around the internet have gotten pretty worked up about [tag]George Bush[/tag]’s comment to an Al Arabiya reporter in an interview that he believes Muslims and Christians worship the same God. Here’s an extract (source: www.whitehouse.gov):

    Well, first of all, I believe in an almighty God, and I believe that all the world, whether they be Muslim, Christian, or any other religion, prays to the same God. That’s what I believe. I believe that Islam is a great religion that preaches peace. And I believe people who murder the innocent to achieve political objectives aren’t religious people, whether they be a Christian who does that — we had a person blow up our — blow up a federal building in Oklahoma City who professed to be a Christian, but that’s not a Christian act to kill innocent people.

    Amongst those who have responded negatively to this is Joe Carter who applies considerable logic to refuting this idea that Christians and Muslims worship the same God. Carter is pretty thoroughly convinced that it just can’t be so.

    As a note to any liberals who are crowing about Christian conservatives turning on Bush, I must note that in my part of the world, Bush is often regarded as a liberal himself. Conservative Christians haven’t been all that much on board with him from the time of the primaries. He was certainly better than Kerry from their point of view, but he is not one of theirs. It shouldn’t be surprising that when he talks about religion, it’s not pure conservative evangelicalism.

    Further, let me note for the record that I am a trinitarian Christian who accepts the incarnation as the central doctrine of Christianity. In other words, I believe that Christ was divine, and more specifically uniquely divine, i.e. not just having a divine spark, and in a way that I and other people are definitely not divine. Thus I differ from the Jewish and Muslim concepts of God.

    But there are two major issues that I think run through this debate. First, one’s concept of God is, hopefully, something different from one’s God. In fact, worship of the concept is something I discussed in an earlier post Conceptual Idolatry. Second, just how “right” does one have to be about God in order to worship him? I’m going to very briefly look at these.

    All of us have some sort of concept in mind when we refer to God. It may be a concept that we reject as impossible, or it may be one in which we put our trust. The quality and value of our concepts vary substantially, I would guess. God is not limited by, defined by, or fully described by our concepts. It almost goes without saying that as a trinitarian Christian my concept of God differs from the Jewish or Muslim concepts, amongst many others. It differs in smaller ways from the concepts of God held by my fellow Christians, including those who are worked up over George Bush’s concepts.

    I would like to think that my concept of God is more accurate than mine. I come to the Father through Jesus Christ (John 14:6) and I believe Jesus gave the clearest picture of God for us. I don’t regard this as exclusive, since I believe one can follow a road without necessarily comprehending all the roadsigns. (If anything generates a comment, that one should, but I’m not going to explain further in this post, so there!) I am, however, fallible, and I’m quite certain that my concept of God is not perfect.

    So we could replace the question first with this: Are our concepts of God the same? No. Are the similar? In many ways, they are not.

    But if we are truly monotheistic, we believe there is only one God. So I think there is a second question: Can you worship God (the only one there is) when your concept is flawed, even seriously flawed? Well, Paul suggested that the Athenians did, in worshiping their unknown God:

    ?23? For as I went through the city and looked carefully at the objects of your worship, I found among them an altar with the inscription, ‘To an unknown god.’ What therefore you worship as unknown, this I proclaim to you.” — Acts 17:23 (NRSV)

    Paul, as reported by Luke, starts from the point of view that they are, in fact, worshiping this unknown God, even though they don’t know him, his attributes, his name, or anything whatsoever about him. Is Paul asserting a theological point here that one can worship a God one does not know? He could be simply starting from his opponent’s viewpoint in order to lead them to his, but it seems to me that he does allow that they are actually worshiping God in some way, however partially. Romans 1 and 2 I think expands on this idea quite a bit. People who do not know God explicitly nonetheless can serve him.

    So I think the arguments fail on both points. That two people’s concepts of God differ does not mean they are worshiping two different gods, any more than the fact that my concept of my wife and someone else’s differ means we’re talking about different people. Further, one can worship something one does not know.

    Does this mean that I accept the doctrines and concepts of Islam on the same basis as I do my Christian doctrines? Not at all. If I did, I would be a Muslim. I simply believe they are worshiping the same God, not because of how right or wrong they are (or I am), but rather because I believe there is only one God available to worship.