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		<title>Five Sites I Read Because I Disagree</title>
		<link>http://henrysthreads.com/2010/08/five-sites-i-read-because-i-disagree/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Henry Neufeld</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[ <p>These are five significant sites I read because of the things on which I disagree with the writer(s). That doesn&#8217;t mean I disagree with everything, but rather that I was attracted to the site and continue to read primarily because of my disagreement.</p> <p>I read a number of news sources and some individual blogs [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>These are five significant sites I read because of the things on which I disagree with the writer(s).  That doesn&#8217;t mean I disagree with everything, but rather that I was attracted to the site and continue to read primarily because of my disagreement.</p>
	<p>I read a number of news sources and some individual blogs on major sites (Huffington Post, Townhall.com, etc), but I&#8217;ve avoided those in this list.</p>
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	<li><a href="http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com">Why Evolution is True</a><br />No, I haven&#8217;t changed my mind about evolution.  Jerry Coyne is strongly anti-accommodationist, and I believe that acceptance of the theory of evolution is compatible with faith.  I don&#8217;t believe it&#8217;s always easy, but I do believe it&#8217;s necessary and right.  In spite of disagreements on other issues, <a href="http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2010/08/30/xxx/">this post on past-life regressions</a> is definitely worth a read.</li>
	<li><a href="http://adrianwarnock.com">Adrian Warnock</a><br />I haven&#8217;t responded to Adrian as frequently as I used to, but I still read and I still disagree.  Adrian is charismatic and Calvinist.  I disagree on Calvinism, his view of women in ministry, and generally on the way he defines the essentials of the atonement.  I find it worthwhile to be challenged by all those things.</li>
	<li><a href="http://pursuingholiness.com">Pursuing Holiness</a><br />I agree with Laura on most matters of faith, but often disagree on politics.  She has the ability to annoy me but still keep me reading.  People who annoy me are a valuable resource!</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.pseudopolymath.com/">Pseudopolymath</a><br />This is much more a mixed case of agreements an disagreements.  Mark is Eastern Orthodox, and I have a sneaking admiration for the eastern church.  He&#8217;s conservative politically, on which I very often differ, and on theology and biblical studies things are a bit more mixed.  But it&#8217;s the disagreements that are the most fun.</li>
	<li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/evolutionblog/">EvolutionBlog</a><br />Again, my disagreement here isn&#8217;t regarding evolution as such, but rather with the combination of atheism and anti-accommodationism.  I enjoy the style, and am often set to thinking along new lines by reading it.</li>
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	<p>There are a stack of &#8220;also-rans&#8221; in my Google reader, and if I wrote this list tomorrow I would probably choose some different blogs, but these will do for now!  I&#8217;m so disagreeable, there are plenty to choose from.<br />
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		<title>Mistakes, Love, and Parenting</title>
		<link>http://henrysthreads.com/2009/06/mistakes-love-and-parenting/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Henry Neufeld</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[ <p>&#8230; or any other human relationship, for that matter.</p> <p>I got back yesterday from displaying books at Methodist annual conference for Alabama/Northwest Florida. We had the joy of having our daughter Janet join us there to help out, and we got to chat a bit. We were talking about raising children&#8211;she has two&#8211;and I [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8230; or any other human relationship, for that matter.</p>
	<p>I got back yesterday from displaying books at Methodist annual conference for Alabama/Northwest Florida.  We had the joy of having our daughter Janet join us there to help out, and we got to chat a bit.  We were talking about raising children&#8211;she has two&#8211;and I mentioned how I used to regard myself as completely ignorant of child raising when I was a bachelor, unlike some singles I know, who are pretty certain their children wouldn&#8217;t behave &#8220;that way!&#8221;  I noted that when I married Jody, and acquired a ready-made family, I discovered that &#8220;completely ignorant&#8221; was not an adequate description of the depth of my ignorance!</p>
	<p>One observation survived the passage from bachelor to married with children&#8211;I had always observed that the particular child-raising theories expressed by the parents seemed not to be reflected in the children.  There were disciplinarians with behavioral disasters and seemingly permissive parents with well-behaved, polite children.  The one thing I always noticed was that the children of involved parents seemed to do well, while the children of distant or absent parents tended to do, well, not-so-well.</p>
	<p>Today I found <a href="http://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/mama_phd/math_geek_mom_just_trying_to_say_i_love_you">this wonderful article on Inside Higher Ed</a>. <a href="http://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/mama_phd/emanuele">Rosemarie Emanuele</a>, <a href="http://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/mama_phd">Mama PhD</a>, talks very personally about the mistakes one makes, and the love that is still there&#8211;and works.</p>
	<p>I loved it!  I hope you will too.</p>
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		<title>New Blog &#8211; Caraleisa</title>
		<link>http://henrysthreads.com/2008/11/new-blog-caraleisa/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Henry Neufeld</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[ <p>A long time friend of mine has just started a blog, Caraleisa, with her first post, Giving Thanks, this year . . .. I have hopes she&#8217;ll get more controversial, as I know very well she can.</p> <p>Welcome to the blogosphere! Related Posts: Evangelism from an Atheist Perspective On Evangelizing Atheists Marks of a Unified Church
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>A long time friend of mine has just started a blog, <a href="http://www.caraleisa.com">Caraleisa</a>, with her first post, <a href="http://www.caraleisa.com/blog1/?p=7">Giving Thanks, this year . . .</a>.  I have hopes she&#8217;ll get more controversial, as I know very well she can.</p>
	<p>Welcome to the blogosphere!<br />
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		<title>Word Order and Thinking Order</title>
		<link>http://henrysthreads.com/2008/07/word-order-and-thinking-order/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 14:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Henry Neufeld</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[ <p>There&#8217;s a new study out dealing with word order that&#8217;s fairly interesting. I&#8217;m just going to link to a post on this, other than to note that there are a number of serious questions in interpretation. The post is at Not Exactly Rocket Science, which I will add to my blogroll.</p> <p>Here&#8217;s the conclusion:</p> [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There&#8217;s a new study out dealing with word order that&#8217;s fairly interesting.  I&#8217;m just going to link to a <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2008/06/gesture_reveal_universal_word_order_regardless_of_languagephp.php">post on this</a>, other than to note that there are a number of serious questions in interpretation.  The post is at <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience">Not Exactly Rocket Science</a>, which I will add to my blogroll.</p>
	<p>Here&#8217;s the conclusion:</p>
	<blockquote><p>
Goldin-Meadow&#8217;s fascinating work challenges the idea that the language we speak affects they way we think and see the world, even when our lips are sealed. This idea &#8211; the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis &#8211; has been supported by some studies and decried by others, but this new research suggests that at the very least, order that words are represented in the brain remains resolute in the face of linguistic influences. If anything, the influence goes the other way, with the fundamental word order shaping the properties of emerging languages.
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	<p>I actually agree that the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis is flawed, but I think this study on its own would leave considerable questions, while nonetheless being quite suggestive.  After more thinking and hopefully some more reading I may write some more on this.</p>
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		<title>Troy Britain Has a New Blog</title>
		<link>http://henrysthreads.com/2008/03/troy-britain-has-a-new-blog/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Henry Neufeld</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[ <p>I&#8217;ve been acquainted with Troy since back in early Religion Forum days. He&#8217;s had a web presence for some time, but now he has finally created a blog, Playing Chess with Pigeons (don&#8217;t ask me). Welcome to the blogosphere, Troy!</p> <p>I suspect he&#8217;ll talk about antievolution stuff quite a bit, which will be good. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;ve been acquainted with Troy since back in early <a href="http://www.thereligionforum.com">Religion Forum</a> days.  He&#8217;s had a web presence for some time, but now he has finally created a blog, <a href="http://pigeonchess.wordpress.com/">Playing Chess with Pigeons</a> (don&#8217;t ask me).  Welcome to the blogosphere, Troy!</p>
	<p>I suspect he&#8217;ll talk about antievolution stuff quite a bit, which will be good.  He already has a good post on <a href="http://pigeonchess.wordpress.com/2008/03/01/are-all-fossils-transitional-a-test-rant/">transitional fossils</a>.</p>
	<p>HT:  <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2008/03/troy_britain_has_a_blog.php">Dispatches</a>, where Ed Brayton was also part of the RF crowd in the good old days.<br />
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		<title>Review of Evidence for the Bible</title>
		<link>http://henrysthreads.com/2008/02/review-of-evidence-for-the-bible/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 16:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Henry Neufeld</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[ <p>I sent a free review copy of Elgin Hushbeck&#8217;s book Evidence for the Bible to Christopher Smith of Mild-Mannered Musings, and he has begun his review. It is fairly negative but is also very substantive, and it&#8217;s my policy to post a link to any substantive review, negative or positive. In fact, I will [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I sent a <a href="http://www.energionpubs.com/blog/?p=84">free review copy</a> of Elgin Hushbeck&#8217;s book <a href="http://www.energionpubs.com/ep_detail.php?sku=1893729516">Evidence for the Bible</a> to <a href="http://chriscarrollsmith.blogspot.com/2008/02/evidence-for-bible-by-elgin-hushbeck.html">Christopher Smith of Mild-Mannered Musings</a>, and he has begun his review.  It is fairly negative but is also very substantive, and it&#8217;s my policy to post a link to any substantive review, negative or positive.  In fact, I will be going to the <a href="http://www.energionpubs.com/blog">official Energion Publications blog</a> and posting a link as well as soon as I&#8217;m finished this post.</p>
	<p>I&#8217;m not going to enter the debate myself, but I do continue to invite bloggers who will review the books or blog on reading them in response to debates by others to ask for review copies.  I send the books on a case by case basis, but the vast majority of those who request will get books.  The only reason I would not send books at this point would be if someone had requested free books before and then never said anything.  The main reason for me staying out is that I am myself somewhat more liberal than Elgin Hushbeck, and I think a man shouldn&#8217;t have to debate his publisher.</p>
	<p>I will also take a hit specifically on the German citation noted in the review.  Mr. Hushbeck does not read German, but I do.  The errors hit me in the face on first glance today, but I confess I missed them in dozens of passes through before.  I can only claim that I must have seen what I expected to see.  My company is a small publisher (19 titles so far) and this is an area that will improve as we grow.  Right now I personally have to take responsibility for all the proof-reading in foreign languages because I&#8217;m the only one in the company who can.  On the other hand, when alert readers catch things and tell me, I can add them to an errata list.</p>
	<p>In any case, I expect to read this series of posts with interest.</p>
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		<title>Christian Carnival #202 and My Highlights</title>
		<link>http://henrysthreads.com/2007/12/christian-carnival-202-and-my-highlights/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Henry Neufeld</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[ <p>&#8230; has been posted at Lo-Fi Tribe.</p> <p>As usual, I want to highlight some posts from the carnival.</p> Since I&#8217;m an egalitarian, I read this post from Pseudo-Polymath with interest. The discussion that follows is also substantial and interesting. I hope I can find time to respond in a post. I hate making comments [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8230; has been posted at <a href="http://www.lofitribe.com/2007/12/11/christian-carnival-ccii/">Lo-Fi Tribe</a>.</p>
	<p>As usual, I want to highlight some posts from the carnival.</p>
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	<li>Since I&#8217;m an egalitarian, I read <a href="http://www.pseudopolymath.com/?p=2740">this post from Pseudo-Polymath</a> with interest.  The discussion that follows is also substantial and interesting.  I hope I can find time to respond in a post.  I hate making comments that are several pages long.  Mark is always worth reading, especially when I disagree.</li>
	<li><a href="http://kratistostheophilos.blogspot.com/2007/12/rewriting-daniel-7.html">Rewriting Daniel 7</a> is definitely worth a read, but be prepared to spend some time thinking about it.</li>
	<li>I&#8217;m not inclined to agree with <a href="http://parablemania.ektopos.com/archives/2007/12/huckabee_and_di.html">this post</a>, but since when has one&#8217;s inclinations had any value in determining the truth?  Frankly, Jeremy is quite correct.  I, an ardent free-willer, regard everything that happens as ultimately part of God&#8217;s will so that one can use both the terms &#8220;chance&#8221; (largely from our point of view) and &#8220;providence&#8221; to refer correctly to the same event.  If God left it to chance (not to say that there necessarily<em>is</em> any chance from God&#8217;s point of view) then the result is still God&#8217;s will.  So much for inclinations!</li>
	</ul>
	<p>That will have to do for today!<br />
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		<title>Christian Carnival #201 Posted</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 22:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Henry Neufeld</dc:creator>
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		<title>Links for 12/7/07</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 22:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Henry Neufeld</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[	<p>Here a just a few things I think my readers might find interesting, but that I won&#8217;t get much time to comment on:</p>
	
	Human events has an article on intelligent design by a conservative who doesn&#8217;t think much of it.  In fact, he thinks the main stream media cover it because it&#8217;s embarrassing to conservatives.  &#8220;The Left believes, correctly, that Intelligent Design is a political loser, and so they gleefully attempt to hang it around the neck of every right-of-center movement from libertarian neo-conservatism to isolationist populism &#8212; shouting all the while &#8216;See, the American Taliban has come for your children!  Elect a Democrat before it’s too late!&#8217;&#8221; &#8212; It&#8217;s an interesting perspective!  (HT:  Panda&#8217;s Thumb)
	It&#8217;s not really about evolution, but Carl Zimmer has his 100th picture of a science tattoo
	Steve Martin has the fourth in his series of articles on Polkinghorne quotes, in which we find this quote (from Martin, not Polkinghorne):  &#8220;Many Christians, I think, put too much stock in the implications of scientific discoveries.&#8221;  Hmmm!  It leads one to think!
	I&#8217;m just getting all my RSS subscriptions updated on my new computer or I would have gotten this one earlier, but this post by Dr. Steve Matheson is too good to miss.  He looks at a Discovery Institute showcase piece by Jonathan Wells, and shows it&#8217;s serious problems.  The answer seems to be that there was a testable hypothesis in the article, but it proved wrong, and didn&#8217;t have anything to do with ID in the first place.  In addition, any article that calls Jonathan wells &#8220;a former developmental biologist&#8221;  can&#8217;t be all bad!
	And in the obligatory link to something I wrote, my fictional God-Talk Club gets into ID while discussing homeschooling in my latest post.  Remember that those posts are for fun and practice, though I do welcome responses either to presentation or to content.
	
	<p>There are very few things that haven&#8217;t been moved to the new computer, imported, or otherwise sorted out.  For those who my have missed the post I switched not only to a new CPU but to a new operating system.  I&#8217;m now using Ubuntu Linux, after trying it on a separate machine for a few months.  I&#8217;m thus far very happy with the results.  Having the old machine on the same network has made moving stuff pretty easy.</p>
	
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Here a just a few things I think my readers might find interesting, but that I won&#8217;t get much time to comment on:</p>
	<ul>
	<li>Human events has an <a href="http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=23404">article on intelligent design</a> by a conservative who doesn&#8217;t think much of it.  In fact, he thinks the main stream media cover it because it&#8217;s embarrassing to conservatives.  &#8220;The Left believes, correctly, that Intelligent Design is a political loser, and so they gleefully attempt to hang it around the neck of every right-of-center movement from libertarian neo-conservatism to isolationist populism &#8212; shouting all the while &#8216;See, the American Taliban has come for your children!  Elect a Democrat before it’s too late!&#8217;&#8221; &#8212; It&#8217;s an interesting perspective!  (HT:  <a href="http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2007/12/intelligent-des-40.html">Panda&#8217;s Thumb</a>)</li>
	<li>It&#8217;s not really about evolution, but Carl Zimmer has his <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/loom/2007/12/07/science_tattoo_friday_we_have.php">100th picture of a science tattoo</a></li>
	<li>Steve Martin has the <a href="http://evanevodialogue.blogspot.com/2007/12/polkinghorne-quotes-4-christian-god-not.html">fourth in his series of articles on Polkinghorne quotes</a>, in which we find this quote (from Martin, not Polkinghorne):  &#8220;Many Christians, I think, put too much stock in the implications of scientific discoveries.&#8221;  Hmmm!  It leads one to think!</li>
	<li>I&#8217;m just getting all my RSS subscriptions updated on my new computer or I would have gotten this one earlier, but <a href="http://sfmatheson.blogspot.com/2007/11/do-id-theorists-generate-data.html">this post by Dr. Steve Matheson</a> is too good to miss.  He looks at a Discovery Institute showcase piece by Jonathan Wells, and shows it&#8217;s serious problems.  The answer seems to be that there was a testable hypothesis in the article, but it proved wrong, and didn&#8217;t have anything to do with ID in the first place.  In addition, any article that calls Jonathan wells &#8220;a former developmental biologist&#8221;  can&#8217;t be all bad!</li>
	<li>And in the obligatory link to something I wrote, my fictional <a href="http://www.jevlir.com/?page_id=111">God-Talk Club</a> gets into <a href="http://www.jevlir.com/?p=126">ID while discussing homeschooling</a> in my latest post.  Remember that those posts are for fun and practice, though I do welcome responses either to presentation or to content.</li>
	</ul>
	<p>There are very few things that haven&#8217;t been moved to the new computer, imported, or otherwise sorted out.  For those who my have missed the post I switched not only to a new CPU but to a new operating system.  I&#8217;m now using Ubuntu Linux, after trying it on a separate machine for a few months.  I&#8217;m thus far very happy with the results.  Having the old machine on the same network has made moving stuff pretty easy.</p>
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		<title>Keeping up with the Justification Debate</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Henry Neufeld</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[	<p>I am doing some reading before I respond to a couple of posts, but I did want to link to some interesting stuff.</p>
	<p>Both Mark Olson (Pseudo-polymath) and Anne (Heart, Mind, Soul, and Strength) have written posts discussing justification from a perspective other than the judicial/penal substitution approach.  Their posts simply confirm to me that there are many, many valid ways to talk about the sacrifice that Jesus made on our behalf, and that penal substitution is just one of those.  Unlike some, I do not wish to discard it, but I also will not make it the one and only metaphor.</p>
	<p>Adrian Warnock has posted twice, first  Legalism, Racism, and the First Century Jew, to which I will respond later at some length.  I find much to object to in that short post, but I&#8217;m also working through Piper&#8217;s comments in their context before I blow off steam.</p>
	<p>The second one is 2 Corinthians 5 and Romans 5 &#8211; Two Critical Passages on Justification in which he links an article that I had linked earlier, and says:</p>
	<p>
If you are interested in seeing an example of this, there is an article by Wright on 2 Corinthians 5:21 [PDF-HN] that I must say I found wholly unconvincing.
</p>
	<p>I see a great deal of &#8220;finding unconvincing&#8221; but I see remarkably little actual exegetical argument.  The primary form of argument appears to be theological.  If the question is whether the new perspectives on Paul differ from prior theological statements, then we can cheerfully answer yes, and go on.  But for me the question is whether the new perspective gets us closer to correctly understanding Paul and what he has to say.</p>
	<p>One of the keys here is to understand the paradigm shift that several interpreters have taken.  If you do not accept that paradigm shift, you are likely not to accept Wright&#8217;s specific exegesis of 2 Corinthians 5:21.  That is not surprising, since he is dealing with that verse in the context of that new paradigm.  (I am not overly fond of &#8220;paradigm shift,&#8221; as a term, or at least I don&#8217;t think I am, but it seems to me that the new perspectives on Paul do justify that term.)</p>
	<p>Peter Kirk blogged on this same topic, and brings up a number of points.  I have to say that anyone who implies that Augustine was a theological pygmy is likely to get my favorable attention!  But more importantly, Peter points to one side issue, and that is the way in which (some?) reformed theology can make God look like he is a bit veracity-challenged, and can&#8217;t truly tell whether people are righteous or not.</p>
	<p>
Meanwhile, the view that I am working towards is a rejection of the “Reformed” idea that Christians remain sinners in actual fact but are nevertheless, by a legal fiction, counted as righteous in Christ. Instead of this, the picture I have, based on various biblical passages such as Ephesians 4:22-24, is that the Christian consists of two separate persons or personalities: the “old self” (in some versions “old man”, but to be understood of course in a gender generic sense) born by natural birth who is a sinner, guilty, condemned to death and destined to die; and the “new self” born of the Spirit and into Christ, who is righteous, holy, free from condemnation, will not die, and indeed is already living eternal life in God’s kingdom. . . .
</p>
	<p>Just so.  Like Peter, I continue to be in flux on some of these issues.  There are boundary lines that I&#8217;m fairly certain of, but others I&#8217;m studying a great deal, but Peter&#8217;s paragraph is one of those that strikes me as promising.  When I read it, I feel that he is &#8220;with&#8221; Paul in a significant way.  Perhaps he&#8217;ll have to adjust some, as he says, but he&#8217;s going the right direction.</p>
	<p>I will be blogging a bit more on 2 Corinthians 5 from an exegetical point of view, hopefully in the next few days.</p>
	
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I am doing some reading before I respond to a couple of posts, but I did want to link to some interesting stuff.</p>
	<p>Both <a href="http://www.pseudopolymath.com/?p=2698">Mark Olson (Pseudo-polymath)</a> and <a href="http://weekendfisher.blogspot.com/2007/11/fallen-by-unbelief-justified-by-faith.html">Anne (Heart, Mind, Soul, and Strength)</a> have written posts discussing justification from a perspective other than the judicial/penal substitution approach.  Their posts simply confirm to me that there are many, many valid ways to talk about the sacrifice that Jesus made on our behalf, and that penal substitution is just one of those.  Unlike some, I do not wish to discard it, but I also will not make it the one and only metaphor.</p>
	<p>Adrian Warnock has posted twice, first <a href="http://adrianwarnock.com/2007/11/legalism-racism-and-first-century-jew.html"> Legalism, Racism, and the First Century Jew</a>, to which I will respond later at some length.  I find much to object to in that short post, but I&#8217;m also working through Piper&#8217;s comments in their context before I blow off steam.</p>
	<p>The second one is <a href="http://adrianwarnock.com/2007/11/2-corinthians-5-and-romans-5-two.html">2 Corinthians 5 and Romans 5 &#8211; Two Critical Passages on Justification</a> in which he links an article that I had linked earlier, and says:</p>
	<blockquote><p>
If you are interested in seeing an example of this, there is an <a href="http://www.ntwrightpage.com/Wright_Becoming_Righteousness.pdf">article by Wright on 2 Corinthians 5:21 [PDF-HN]</a> that I must say I found wholly unconvincing.
</p></blockquote>
	<p>I see a great deal of &#8220;finding unconvincing&#8221; but I see remarkably little actual exegetical argument.  The primary form of argument appears to be theological.  If the question is whether the new perspectives on Paul differ from prior theological statements, then we can cheerfully answer yes, and go on.  But for me the question is whether the new perspective gets us closer to correctly understanding Paul and what he has to say.</p>
	<p>One of the keys here is to understand the paradigm shift that several interpreters have taken.  If you do not accept that paradigm shift, you are likely not to accept Wright&#8217;s specific exegesis of 2 Corinthians 5:21.  That is not surprising, since he is dealing with that verse in the context of that new paradigm.  (I am not overly fond of &#8220;paradigm shift,&#8221; as a term, or at least I don&#8217;t think I am, but it seems to me that the new perspectives on Paul do justify that term.)</p>
	<p>Peter Kirk <a href="http://www.qaya.org/blog/?p=301">blogged on this same topic</a>, and brings up a number of points.  I have to say that anyone who implies that Augustine was a theological pygmy is likely to get my favorable attention!  But more importantly, Peter points to one side issue, and that is the way in which (some?) reformed theology can make God look like he is a bit veracity-challenged, and can&#8217;t truly tell whether people are righteous or not.</p>
	<blockquote><p>
Meanwhile, the view that I am working towards is a rejection of the “Reformed” idea that Christians remain sinners in actual fact but are nevertheless, by a legal fiction, counted as righteous in Christ. Instead of this, the picture I have, based on various biblical passages such as Ephesians 4:22-24, is that the Christian consists of two separate persons or personalities: the “old self” (in some versions “old man”, but to be understood of course in a gender generic sense) born by natural birth who is a sinner, guilty, condemned to death and destined to die; and the “new self” born of the Spirit and into Christ, who is righteous, holy, free from condemnation, will not die, and indeed is already living eternal life in God’s kingdom. . . .
</p></blockquote>
	<p>Just so.  Like Peter, I continue to be in flux on some of these issues.  There are boundary lines that I&#8217;m fairly certain of, but others I&#8217;m studying a great deal, but Peter&#8217;s paragraph is one of those that strikes me as promising.  When I read it, I feel that he is &#8220;with&#8221; Paul in a significant way.  Perhaps he&#8217;ll have to adjust some, as he says, but he&#8217;s going the right direction.</p>
	<p>I will be blogging a bit more on 2 Corinthians 5 from an exegetical point of view, hopefully in the next few days.</p>
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