Comments on: Atonement: The Error Adrian Warnock and Giles Fraser Share

By: Henry Neufeld

Henry Neufeld — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:59:14 +0000

Well, your question might cut to the chase, if it didn’t ignore the idea of metaphor. My contention is, and always has been that substitution is one way of talking about the atonement and not somehow the core meaning. A thing which cannot actually be can nonetheless be useful as a metaphor.

And that ignores the flaws in your premises … but since the conclusion doesn’t follow, I’m not going there right now.

By: Theodore A. Jones

Theodore A. Jones — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 01:07:21 +0000

This is what God says about substitutionary atonement.
1. There is no case by which any man’s life taken by bloodshed is not directly accountable to God.
2. There is only one case of a man’s life taken by bloodshed by which each man too must give God a direct accounting.
Gen. 9:5 NIV
The idea that Jesus was a sacrifice in your place or anyone else’s is a totally false and ludicrous idea.
Are any of you three in the classification of EACH man too? Yes or NO?
That question ought to cut to the chase.

By: Sam Norton

Sam Norton — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 07:36:10 +0000

And the 11th commandment is: Thou shalt not make your metaphors into metaphysics.

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By: Bob MacDonald

Bob MacDonald — Sat, 11 Apr 2009 17:44:59 +0000

his death ‘for’ me – aren’t prepositions wonderful!

I have not tried to express the propitiation issue in my own words based on my own experience – but the metaphor and preposition that I like is ‘in’. I am ‘in’ Christ Jesus and he ‘in’ me. Too good.

I think Tyndale has a nice accuracy in rendering of hilasterion as ‘mercy seat’ – for there is where we meet with him whatever we think of sin and sacrifice. There according to Hebrews is where we are invited to enter into the Holy place through the veil that is to say – his flesh. It is a reality not to be missed and not to be trifled with and of infinite preciousness and value – as Paul writes – this treasure in earthen vessels.

Easter blessings to you