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		<title>By: Richard Colling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Colling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 02:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes. this is the site, Peter.</description>
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		<title>By: Threads from Henry&#8217;s Web &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Biblical Inerrancy and Evolution</title>
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		<dc:creator>Threads from Henry&#8217;s Web &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Biblical Inerrancy and Evolution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Amongst these options are some kind of symbolic meaning, usually associated with Old Earth creationism. In this case, Genesis generally presents creation in phases without getting picky about chronology or other details. Just how picky one can get will vary with the interpreter. Then there is my own interpretation which suggests that Genesis 1:1-2:4a is a form of liturgy, while Genesis 2:4b-25-4:26 is a form closely related to myth. These are designed to express the relationship of humanity to God in the context of an ancient near eastern culture, and their cosmology. A similar relationship can be expressed in a modern cosmology, something I think Dr. Richard Colling has accomplished in his book Random Designer; I blogged on the specific point here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Amongst these options are some kind of symbolic meaning, usually associated with Old Earth creationism. In this case, Genesis generally presents creation in phases without getting picky about chronology or other details. Just how picky one can get will vary with the interpreter. Then there is my own interpretation which suggests that Genesis 1:1-2:4a is a form of liturgy, while Genesis 2:4b-25-4:26 is a form closely related to myth. These are designed to express the relationship of humanity to God in the context of an ancient near eastern culture, and their cosmology. A similar relationship can be expressed in a modern cosmology, something I think Dr. Richard Colling has accomplished in his book Random Designer; I blogged on the specific point here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kirk</title>
		<link>http://henrysthreads.com/2007/12/random-designer-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-96926</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick, are you referring to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.randomdesigner.com/index.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this website, www.randomdesigner.com&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick, are you referring to <a href="http://www.randomdesigner.com/index.htm" rel="nofollow">this website, </a><a href="http://www.randomdesigner.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.randomdesigner.com</a>?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Colling</title>
		<link>http://henrysthreads.com/2007/12/random-designer-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-96846</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Colling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 05:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Henry and others.  I wanted to get back sooner, but alas, things are rather bizarre around here these days.  The &quot;SITUATION&quot;, as my wife now calls it, has come to a critical point, and I don&#039;t know what the outcome will be.
But I am pleased that you are taking the time to work through Random Designer. I really wrote it with the hope that it would be able to communicate some of the science and biology in ways that would resonate with biologists/scientists, but in ways that could also be understood by non-science types.  Ie, most people.  Biology and the Bible need never be at war.  

I think that chapter 3 is one of my favorite chapters, because I wanted to dispel the common misconception promoted by creationists that the 2nd law precludes evolution or development of more complex life forms.  But thermodynamics is a rather &quot;deep&quot; topic, and difficult to understand. I certainly do not even consider myself an expert.  

But the idea that randomness is counterintuitive to order is a flawed idea.  The truth is that in the most remarkable and paradoxical ways, it is actually this tendency toward randomness in our world that makes all structure, order, beauty and life itself possible. The    deeper levels of this take us to quantum theory and probability and statistics,which at he deeper levels begin to lose me because of the mathematics.  But nevertheless, the message is very clear: We live in a statistical world of probabilities and opportunities.  And within this world, the possibility for choice.  That comes later in the book.  

If you and/or your readers have not seen the free DVD that I offer on my website, I hope everyone will request a copy. This two-part (2 hour) talk was given to our university faculty and students not long after the book came out in our colloquium series.  Here, I try to break these concepts down with illustrations and examples.  It always is easier to teach face to face, rather than being limited just to written text. (or email dialogue like this)  We could get down the road so much more effectively if we were just talking together.  
Just as example, a few people take notice of the image on the cover of Random Designer.  It is a fractal - a mathematical representation of randomness.  It is easy to see that out of apparent random forces, beauty, structure, purpose, and meaning can arise.  Maybe we really do see through a glass darkly...
So the message I am trying to convey is this:  Let&#039;s walk this road together, learning, living, and loving along the way.  Perhaps there really is much much more to discover.

I am getting older (53), and you can always tell a veteran professor: Everything reminds them of something else, and they can go on and on and on and on.  So for now, I will stop.

Thanks for the interest and discussion.  It is fun. I will try to come back soon.  Feel free (you or readers) to pose questions or email me if you like. (rcolling@olivet.edu)

Rick Colling</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Henry and others.  I wanted to get back sooner, but alas, things are rather bizarre around here these days.  The &#8220;SITUATION&#8221;, as my wife now calls it, has come to a critical point, and I don&#8217;t know what the outcome will be.<br />
But I am pleased that you are taking the time to work through Random Designer. I really wrote it with the hope that it would be able to communicate some of the science and biology in ways that would resonate with biologists/scientists, but in ways that could also be understood by non-science types.  Ie, most people.  Biology and the Bible need never be at war.  </p>
<p>I think that chapter 3 is one of my favorite chapters, because I wanted to dispel the common misconception promoted by creationists that the 2nd law precludes evolution or development of more complex life forms.  But thermodynamics is a rather &#8220;deep&#8221; topic, and difficult to understand. I certainly do not even consider myself an expert.  </p>
<p>But the idea that randomness is counterintuitive to order is a flawed idea.  The truth is that in the most remarkable and paradoxical ways, it is actually this tendency toward randomness in our world that makes all structure, order, beauty and life itself possible. The    deeper levels of this take us to quantum theory and probability and statistics,which at he deeper levels begin to lose me because of the mathematics.  But nevertheless, the message is very clear: We live in a statistical world of probabilities and opportunities.  And within this world, the possibility for choice.  That comes later in the book.  </p>
<p>If you and/or your readers have not seen the free DVD that I offer on my website, I hope everyone will request a copy. This two-part (2 hour) talk was given to our university faculty and students not long after the book came out in our colloquium series.  Here, I try to break these concepts down with illustrations and examples.  It always is easier to teach face to face, rather than being limited just to written text. (or email dialogue like this)  We could get down the road so much more effectively if we were just talking together.<br />
Just as example, a few people take notice of the image on the cover of Random Designer.  It is a fractal &#8211; a mathematical representation of randomness.  It is easy to see that out of apparent random forces, beauty, structure, purpose, and meaning can arise.  Maybe we really do see through a glass darkly&#8230;<br />
So the message I am trying to convey is this:  Let&#8217;s walk this road together, learning, living, and loving along the way.  Perhaps there really is much much more to discover.</p>
<p>I am getting older (53), and you can always tell a veteran professor: Everything reminds them of something else, and they can go on and on and on and on.  So for now, I will stop.</p>
<p>Thanks for the interest and discussion.  It is fun. I will try to come back soon.  Feel free (you or readers) to pose questions or email me if you like. (rcolling@olivet.edu)</p>
<p>Rick Colling</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 17:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beyond Words, I am not really an expert here. I left the Kingdom Thermodynamics series incomplete because I was getting out of my depth. But I can attempt an answer to your question here.

There are certainly ways in which organic materials can be recycled apart from death. I see plenty of it around at the moment: leaves shed by trees which remain alive; the dust which I am not too good at cleaning away, which is largely from my own skin while I am alive; even the carbon dioxide which I breathe out. Obviously there would be some differences in the ecological niches, and so in the progress of evolution (for those of us who accept it as a mechanism) in a hypothetical world in which organisms did not die. But there is certainly no scientific impossibility here. Indeed I suspect that the contribution to our ecology of the bodies of dead animals is a rather marginal one, and no one is really talking about plant death. So life could continue much as it does now in a world in which neither humans nor animals die.

Of course there is then an issue about birth. Will there be no children or young animals in this new creation? Maybe no children on the basis of Matthew 22:30. But Isaiah 11:6-9 if taken literally implies that there will be young animals as well as children, and if this situation continues for eternity and there is no animal death the earth will be filled not only with the knowledge of the LORD but also with an infinite number of animals. But I suspect we are being rather too literalistic here!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beyond Words, I am not really an expert here. I left the Kingdom Thermodynamics series incomplete because I was getting out of my depth. But I can attempt an answer to your question here.</p>
<p>There are certainly ways in which organic materials can be recycled apart from death. I see plenty of it around at the moment: leaves shed by trees which remain alive; the dust which I am not too good at cleaning away, which is largely from my own skin while I am alive; even the carbon dioxide which I breathe out. Obviously there would be some differences in the ecological niches, and so in the progress of evolution (for those of us who accept it as a mechanism) in a hypothetical world in which organisms did not die. But there is certainly no scientific impossibility here. Indeed I suspect that the contribution to our ecology of the bodies of dead animals is a rather marginal one, and no one is really talking about plant death. So life could continue much as it does now in a world in which neither humans nor animals die.</p>
<p>Of course there is then an issue about birth. Will there be no children or young animals in this new creation? Maybe no children on the basis of Matthew 22:30. But Isaiah 11:6-9 if taken literally implies that there will be young animals as well as children, and if this situation continues for eternity and there is no animal death the earth will be filled not only with the knowledge of the LORD but also with an infinite number of animals. But I suspect we are being rather too literalistic here!</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Neufeld</title>
		<link>http://henrysthreads.com/2007/12/random-designer-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-96010</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Neufeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thus far I find it very much consistent with John Haught.  For what it&#039;s worth, I wrote a blog on God After Darwin &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.energionpubs.com/wordpress/?p=277&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thus far I find it very much consistent with John Haught.  For what it&#8217;s worth, I wrote a blog on God After Darwin <a href="http://www.energionpubs.com/wordpress/?p=277" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: TLTB</title>
		<link>http://henrysthreads.com/2007/12/random-designer-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-96003</link>
		<dc:creator>TLTB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, this book is definitely making my reading list. 

It sounds a lot like what theologian John Haught has said in &quot;God After Darwin&quot;: that the argument from design (natural theology) is still with us, but it must be backed up to the origins of the cosmos itself. We shouldn&#039;t be looking for God&#039;s supernatural actions within nature, since he is the author of all nature. Rather than asking where God fits in with evolution, we should just take evolution to be God&#039;s plan. Then we can fruitfully ask what evolution tells us about God and creation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, this book is definitely making my reading list. </p>
<p>It sounds a lot like what theologian John Haught has said in &#8220;God After Darwin&#8221;: that the argument from design (natural theology) is still with us, but it must be backed up to the origins of the cosmos itself. We shouldn&#8217;t be looking for God&#8217;s supernatural actions within nature, since he is the author of all nature. Rather than asking where God fits in with evolution, we should just take evolution to be God&#8217;s plan. Then we can fruitfully ask what evolution tells us about God and creation.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Neufeld</title>
		<link>http://henrysthreads.com/2007/12/random-designer-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-95860</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Neufeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 14:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, this isn&#039;t even close to my field.  Perhaps Dr. Colling would have some suggestions. He has been commenting here.

Online, I know that Peter Kirk has written some about this in his Kingdom Thermodynamics series, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.qaya.org/blog/?p=86&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;part 1&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.qaya.org/blog/?p=87&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;part 2&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.qaya.org/blog/?p=88&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;part 3&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.qaya.org/blog/?p=89&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;part 4&lt;/a&gt;.  I&#039;ve read it and found it interesting, but I haven&#039;t quite processed it completely.  I&#039;m sure Peter would be happy to discuss it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, this isn&#8217;t even close to my field.  Perhaps Dr. Colling would have some suggestions. He has been commenting here.</p>
<p>Online, I know that Peter Kirk has written some about this in his Kingdom Thermodynamics series, <a href="http://www.qaya.org/blog/?p=86" rel="nofollow">part 1</a>, <a href="http://www.qaya.org/blog/?p=87" rel="nofollow">part 2</a>, <a href="http://www.qaya.org/blog/?p=88" rel="nofollow">part 3</a>, and <a href="http://www.qaya.org/blog/?p=89" rel="nofollow">part 4</a>.  I&#8217;ve read it and found it interesting, but I haven&#8217;t quite processed it completely.  I&#8217;m sure Peter would be happy to discuss it.</p>
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		<title>By: Beyond Words</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beyond Words</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Henry, do you have a reading list, for instance, about the 2nd law of thermodynamicx? This thread fits into some large concepts I&#039;m processing--thinking through critically--about the nature of life and death and the soul. Without having information to back this assumption, I can see that death is necessary to keep life vibrant--recyucling organic material and allowing for successive generations to recombine genetic material. I honestly have a hard time imagining our resurrection bodies because I can&#039;t see how a static new creation will operate. Call me a heretic, but I&#039;m not afraid to ask these questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henry, do you have a reading list, for instance, about the 2nd law of thermodynamicx? This thread fits into some large concepts I&#8217;m processing&#8211;thinking through critically&#8211;about the nature of life and death and the soul. Without having information to back this assumption, I can see that death is necessary to keep life vibrant&#8211;recyucling organic material and allowing for successive generations to recombine genetic material. I honestly have a hard time imagining our resurrection bodies because I can&#8217;t see how a static new creation will operate. Call me a heretic, but I&#8217;m not afraid to ask these questions.</p>
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