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	<title>Comments on: Theological Arguments Against Evolution:  Sin and Death</title>
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		<title>By: Geocreationist</title>
		<link>http://henrysthreads.com/2007/10/theological-arguments-against-evolution-sin-and-death/comment-page-1/#comment-85688</link>
		<dc:creator>Geocreationist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are correct.  As it turns out, my interpretation of &#8220;let&#8221; was based on the Hebrew definition of the word &#8220;be&#8221;.  Here is my source: <a href="http://www.gotothebible.com/Barnes/Genesis/1p3.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.gotothebible.com/Barnes/Genesis/1p3.html</a>.  Here is the key passage: “The word ‘be’ simply denotes the ‘existence’ of the light, by whatever means or from whatever quarter it comes into the given locality. It might have been by an absolute act of pure creation or making out of nothing. But it may equally well be effected by any supernatural operation which removes an otherwise insurmountable hinderance, and opens the way for the already existing light to penetrate into the hitherto darkened region.”</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is of course no separate word for &#8220;let&#8221; in the Hebrew text of Genesis, &#8220;let there be&#8221; is a single word which is a form of the verb &#8220;to be&#8221;. So there is no question of the Hebrew meaning anything like “Remove the hindrance to light”. These people need to be reminded that neither KJV nor any other English Bible translation is the original Word of God.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Neufeld</title>
		<link>http://henrysthreads.com/2007/10/theological-arguments-against-evolution-sin-and-death/comment-page-1/#comment-83994</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Neufeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 21:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll have to spend some more time reading your site.  I keep intending to, but haven&#039;t gotten to it yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll have to spend some more time reading your site.  I keep intending to, but haven&#8217;t gotten to it yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Geocreationist</title>
		<link>http://henrysthreads.com/2007/10/theological-arguments-against-evolution-sin-and-death/comment-page-1/#comment-83985</link>
		<dc:creator>Geocreationist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 20:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree with your response as stated, but perhaps apply it differently than you when it comes to Genesis 1.  

As confirmation that Genesis 1 is intended to be literal, I have found scientific discoveries in the secular world that map quite nicely to the creation narrative... even more accurately than Progressive Creaitonists can claim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with your response as stated, but perhaps apply it differently than you when it comes to Genesis 1.  </p>
<p>As confirmation that Genesis 1 is intended to be literal, I have found scientific discoveries in the secular world that map quite nicely to the creation narrative&#8230; even more accurately than Progressive Creaitonists can claim.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Neufeld</title>
		<link>http://henrysthreads.com/2007/10/theological-arguments-against-evolution-sin-and-death/comment-page-1/#comment-83886</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Neufeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 12:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
My point is that I do not believe God ever intended us to choose between a literal scripture OR acceptance of scientific discoveries, but to discover that they agree.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I have a good friend who is old earth creationist who would agree completely with that statement.  He and I interpret Genesis 1-11 in many similar ways.  He would certainly see more history in some of the later narratives than I do, but we both see about the same spiritual intention.

I think the question should be rephrased from &quot;literal vs. figurative&quot; to looking for the literary genre and interpreting accordingly.  It&#039;s more complex, but I think more accurate.

&quot;Taking it literally&quot; is too often heard as &quot;taking it seriously&quot; and &quot;taking it figuratively&quot; as &quot;blowing it off.&quot;  Gleason Archer (old earth) once pointed out that it is just as wrong to take something that was intended figuratively as literal as it is to take something intended literally as figurative.  (I can&#039;t recall the reference, though I have a xerox in my files somewhere.)

Figurative speech also has meaning, sometimes very precise meaning, even though that meaning may not be concrete or expressed in the same way as historical narrative, for example.</description>
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My point is that I do not believe God ever intended us to choose between a literal scripture OR acceptance of scientific discoveries, but to discover that they agree.
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<p>I have a good friend who is old earth creationist who would agree completely with that statement.  He and I interpret Genesis 1-11 in many similar ways.  He would certainly see more history in some of the later narratives than I do, but we both see about the same spiritual intention.</p>
<p>I think the question should be rephrased from &#8220;literal vs. figurative&#8221; to looking for the literary genre and interpreting accordingly.  It&#8217;s more complex, but I think more accurate.</p>
<p>&#8220;Taking it literally&#8221; is too often heard as &#8220;taking it seriously&#8221; and &#8220;taking it figuratively&#8221; as &#8220;blowing it off.&#8221;  Gleason Archer (old earth) once pointed out that it is just as wrong to take something that was intended figuratively as literal as it is to take something intended literally as figurative.  (I can&#8217;t recall the reference, though I have a xerox in my files somewhere.)</p>
<p>Figurative speech also has meaning, sometimes very precise meaning, even though that meaning may not be concrete or expressed in the same way as historical narrative, for example.</p>
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		<title>By: Geocreationist</title>
		<link>http://henrysthreads.com/2007/10/theological-arguments-against-evolution-sin-and-death/comment-page-1/#comment-83776</link>
		<dc:creator>Geocreationist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 03:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion, what keeps Old Earth Creationists from accepting a literal translation of Genesis is their acceptance of Young Earth Creationists&#039; definition for certain key words.

For example, the word for &quot;let&quot; has another acceptable definition, which is to remove a hindrance to something.  &quot;Let their be light&quot; would actually mean &quot;Remove the hindrance to light&quot;, and so on.

The word &quot;yom&quot; is accepted by OECs as meaning 24 hours, when in fact its usage by Moses means only the duration between sundowns.  With our God hovering over the oceans, His freedom to experience sundowns allows creation &quot;yoms&quot; to be any duration He chooses.

Then there are examples where YECs do not actually take Genesis 1 literally at all.  For example, the sun was not really set in the firmament (which was created on Day 2), but in space.

My point is that I do not believe God ever intended us to choose between a literal scripture OR acceptance of scientific discoveries, but to discover that they agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion, what keeps Old Earth Creationists from accepting a literal translation of Genesis is their acceptance of Young Earth Creationists&#8217; definition for certain key words.</p>
<p>For example, the word for &#8220;let&#8221; has another acceptable definition, which is to remove a hindrance to something.  &#8220;Let their be light&#8221; would actually mean &#8220;Remove the hindrance to light&#8221;, and so on.</p>
<p>The word &#8220;yom&#8221; is accepted by OECs as meaning 24 hours, when in fact its usage by Moses means only the duration between sundowns.  With our God hovering over the oceans, His freedom to experience sundowns allows creation &#8220;yoms&#8221; to be any duration He chooses.</p>
<p>Then there are examples where YECs do not actually take Genesis 1 literally at all.  For example, the sun was not really set in the firmament (which was created on Day 2), but in space.</p>
<p>My point is that I do not believe God ever intended us to choose between a literal scripture OR acceptance of scientific discoveries, but to discover that they agree.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin LaBar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin LaBar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 13:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks.

Here&#039;s an article, on a related subject, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2004/PSCF6-04Snoke.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the creation of dangerous animals&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an article, on a related subject, <a href="http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2004/PSCF6-04Snoke.pdf" rel="nofollow">the creation of dangerous animals</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Neufeld</title>
		<link>http://henrysthreads.com/2007/10/theological-arguments-against-evolution-sin-and-death/comment-page-1/#comment-82852</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Neufeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
How does one read Genesis as liturgy? Perhaps my understanding of the term ‘liturgy’ is too narrow, but I am confused by that suggestion.
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<p>Perhaps I could be clearer by saying, &#8220;written for use in liturgy&#8221; or told in a form suitable for liturgical use.</p>
<p>But also, I&#8217;m not talking about all of Genesis&#8211;just Genesis 1:1-2:4a.  Genesis 2:4bff fulfills many more of the literary characteristics of myth, and should be read differently.  Their combination in a single text obscures this change in genre unless the reader is attentive.</p>
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		<title>By: John Meunier</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Meunier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this explanation. It is helpful.

I have a question that is not generated by your main argument.

How does one read Genesis as liturgy? Perhaps my understanding of the term &#039;liturgy&#039; is too narrow, but I am confused by that suggestion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this explanation. It is helpful.</p>
<p>I have a question that is not generated by your main argument.</p>
<p>How does one read Genesis as liturgy? Perhaps my understanding of the term &#8216;liturgy&#8217; is too narrow, but I am confused by that suggestion.</p>
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