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	<title>Comments on: Don McLeroy and his Big Creationist Tent</title>
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		<title>By: Threads from Henry&#8217;s Web &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Random Mutations and God</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in a comment to my previous post, Don McLeroy and his Big Creationist Tent . I&#8217;m going to copy the comment [...]</description>
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		<title>By: JuliaL</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the part that mystifies me:</p>
<p><i>Consider natural selection of random mutations. If they’re random mutations, they can’t be God-directed, and if they’re naturally selected, you can’t hav, quote, “God-selecteds.”</i></p>
<p>Is the claim being made that there is no such thing as a mathematically random process, such as the choosing of the winning number in a lottery? Or, is McLeroy saying that a process can indeed be mathematically random, but in some magical fashion then God is incapable of being any part of it? So God is completely excluded from lotteries? And if we want to cut God out of any issue, we need only introduce randomness (like &#8220;Russian roulette&#8221; with a gun before pulling the trigger), and God is forced to stand by helpless? I&#8217;ve seen people pick a Bible verse to read by closing their eyes, letting the Bible fall open, and then putting their finger to the page to pick a random verse to mediatate on. Does this process mean that God is now excluded from the event and must stand around looking incompetent?</p>
<p>As for natural selection, is the claim here that anything selected for/against by nature thereby excludes God from any role? Nature pretty much destroys certain kinds of plants I attempt to put in my yard; the heat, humidity, and alternate drought and flood kills them off. Does installing such plants mean that I have managed to ban God from my yard?</p>
<p>This seems a strange view of God, not as the ground of all being or as the wholeness of which everything else is a part, but as a separate, discrete individual who can be pushed aside through math and nature processes that we all normally acknowledge exist.</p>
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