Comments on: Notes and Links on Atonement http://henrysthreads.com/2007/06/notes-and-links-on-atonement/ Thoughts on Religion in the World from a passionate, moderate, liberal charismatic Christian Tue, 15 May 2012 14:29:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Henry Neufeld http://henrysthreads.com/2007/06/notes-and-links-on-atonement/comment-page-1/#comment-49513 Henry Neufeld Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:35:59 +0000 http://www.energionpubs.com/wordpress/?p=762#comment-49513

But it is fair to say we’re saying Penal Substitution is the spring from which the rest flow.

And I have also heard it said many times that penal substitution is the reason Jesus died, with any other effects being secondary. But I am also opposed to the idea that penal substitution is the spring from which all others flow. It is simply one metaphor amongst many.

]]> By: dave http://henrysthreads.com/2007/06/notes-and-links-on-atonement/comment-page-1/#comment-49512 dave Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:09:20 +0000 http://www.energionpubs.com/wordpress/?p=762#comment-49512 <em>"not as the key or sole metaphor"</em> I don't think anyone is saying "sole". Not Adrian. Not Pierced for our transgressions. We're all saying there are many things the cross achieves - you only have to look at John Pipers 50 reasons Jesus died to see that. But it is fair to say we're saying Penal Substitution is the spring from which the rest flow. “not as the key or sole metaphor”

I don’t think anyone is saying “sole”. Not Adrian. Not Pierced for our transgressions. We’re all saying there are many things the cross achieves – you only have to look at John Pipers 50 reasons Jesus died to see that. But it is fair to say we’re saying Penal Substitution is the spring from which the rest flow.

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