Comments on: ID = Intense Desperation? http://henrysthreads.com/2006/12/id-intense-desperation/ Thoughts on Religion in the World from a passionate, moderate, liberal charismatic Christian Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:02:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Henry Neufeld http://henrysthreads.com/2006/12/id-intense-desperation/comment-page-1/#comment-13761 Henry Neufeld Fri, 15 Dec 2006 23:27:28 +0000 http://www.energionpubs.com/wordpress/?p=465#comment-13761 <blockquote> Okay, Henry, let

Okay, Henry, let

]]> By: Joe Carter http://henrysthreads.com/2006/12/id-intense-desperation/comment-page-1/#comment-13619 Joe Carter Fri, 15 Dec 2006 03:12:27 +0000 http://www.energionpubs.com/wordpress/?p=465#comment-13619 <i>There is simply nothing inappropriate or even questionable in his behavior, and there is thus no explanation for this current attack on him except for the desperation of ID proponents.</i> Okay, Henry, let's see how far you will go in defending Jones. The areas that are in bold are portions of a commencement speech that Jones gave that matchs <em>verbatim</em> text from a book by historian Frank Lambert: <blockquote>As has been often written, our Founding Fathers were children of The Enlightenment. So influenced, they possessed a <strong>great confidence in</strong> an <strong>individual's ability to understand the world and its most fundamental laws through the exercise of his or her reason.</strong> [snip] The Founders believed that <strong>true religion was not something handed down by a church or contained in a Bible, but was to be found through free, rational inquiry.</strong> At bottom then, this core set of beliefs led the Founders, who constantly engaged and questioned things, to <strong>secure their idea of religious freedom by barring any alliance between church and state.</strong></blockquote> Hopefully you will admit that <i>this</i> is plagiarism. There is simply nothing inappropriate or even questionable in his behavior, and there is thus no explanation for this current attack on him except for the desperation of ID proponents.

Okay, Henry, let’s see how far you will go in defending Jones.

The areas that are in bold are portions of a commencement speech that Jones gave that matchs verbatim text from a book by historian Frank Lambert:

As has been often written, our Founding Fathers were children of The Enlightenment. So influenced, they possessed a great confidence in an individual’s ability to understand the world and its most fundamental laws through the exercise of his or her reason.

[snip]

The Founders believed that true religion was not something handed down by a church or contained in a Bible, but was to be found through free, rational inquiry. At bottom then, this core set of beliefs led the Founders, who constantly engaged and questioned things, to secure their idea of religious freedom by barring any alliance between church and state.

Hopefully you will admit that this is plagiarism.

]]> By: BruceA http://henrysthreads.com/2006/12/id-intense-desperation/comment-page-1/#comment-13581 BruceA Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:51:22 +0000 http://www.energionpubs.com/wordpress/?p=465#comment-13581 Joe Carter asks in his comment, <i>Why was he hailed as such a brilliant thinker if everyone knew that he didn Joe Carter asks in his comment,
Why was he hailed as such a brilliant thinker if everyone knew that he didn

]]> By: perpetualstudent http://henrysthreads.com/2006/12/id-intense-desperation/comment-page-1/#comment-13571 perpetualstudent Thu, 14 Dec 2006 20:41:53 +0000 http://www.energionpubs.com/wordpress/?p=465#comment-13571 An another analogy could possibly be a letter of recommendation. Common practice is the person who needs the recommendation writes the letter and sends it to the person who will be recommending them. So when I was looking for a job after grad school, I wrote a letter and sent it to my thesis advisor. He looked over the letter and if he agreed with it, he signed it and sent it on to the potential company or university. He could also make editorial changes as he saw fit. But I wrote the original letter. An another analogy could possibly be a letter of recommendation. Common practice is the person who needs the recommendation writes the letter and sends it to the person who will be recommending them. So when I was looking for a job after grad school, I wrote a letter and sent it to my thesis advisor. He looked over the letter and if he agreed with it, he signed it and sent it on to the potential company or university. He could also make editorial changes as he saw fit. But I wrote the original letter.

]]> By: Henry Neufeld http://henrysthreads.com/2006/12/id-intense-desperation/comment-page-1/#comment-13557 Henry Neufeld Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:36:46 +0000 http://www.energionpubs.com/wordpress/?p=465#comment-13557 It's interesting that you quote the example that I said was <em>unlike</em> a legal ruling, while failing to note that I built my argument on the committee report, which is much more like a legal ruling. <blockquote> You can say that we shouldn It’s interesting that you quote the example that I said was unlike a legal ruling, while failing to note that I built my argument on the committee report, which is much more like a legal ruling.

You can say that we shouldn

]]> By: Joe Carter http://henrysthreads.com/2006/12/id-intense-desperation/comment-page-1/#comment-13541 Joe Carter Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:09:45 +0000 http://www.energionpubs.com/wordpress/?p=465#comment-13541 <i>If a scholar were to cite another scholar If a scholar were to cite another scholar

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