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	<title>Comments on: Muslim Protests of the Pope&#8217;s Remarks</title>
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		<title>By: Henry Neufeld</title>
		<link>http://henrysthreads.com/2006/09/muslim-protests-of-the-popes-remarks/comment-page-1/#comment-6485</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Neufeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter, That makes another interesting point for me.  I find it extremely hard to get all the nuances into a post that I&#039;d like and even harder in a comment.  Some people (my wife comes to mind) can get more or less precisely what they mean into two or three paragraphs.  I struggle with it.  It&#039;s an interesting difference in people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, That makes another interesting point for me.  I find it extremely hard to get all the nuances into a post that I&#8217;d like and even harder in a comment.  Some people (my wife comes to mind) can get more or less precisely what they mean into two or three paragraphs.  I struggle with it.  It&#8217;s an interesting difference in people.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kirk</title>
		<link>http://henrysthreads.com/2006/09/muslim-protests-of-the-popes-remarks/comment-page-1/#comment-6483</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the reply, Henry. I wasn&#039;t intending to justify use of military force in other countries to defend Christian brothers and sisters from persecution, just that we have a right and a duty to protest on their behalf as well as on our own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reply, Henry. I wasn&#8217;t intending to justify use of military force in other countries to defend Christian brothers and sisters from persecution, just that we have a right and a duty to protest on their behalf as well as on our own.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Neufeld</title>
		<link>http://henrysthreads.com/2006/09/muslim-protests-of-the-popes-remarks/comment-page-1/#comment-6442</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Neufeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 19:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter,

On both points you make an excellent catch against my working.  It&#039;s my intent to state that, while I may object to how another religion behaves or acts, or to how people in another country act, I do not get to apply force to them except under particular circumstances.  Effective force in defense of someone else is acceptable, I believe, though I look for other means first.

I&#039;m trying, in a short presentation, to suggest that I can criticize, but do not have the right to control.  I think I missed some of the details in the way I presented my points, and your criticisms are quite valid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter,</p>
<p>On both points you make an excellent catch against my working.  It&#8217;s my intent to state that, while I may object to how another religion behaves or acts, or to how people in another country act, I do not get to apply force to them except under particular circumstances.  Effective force in defense of someone else is acceptable, I believe, though I look for other means first.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m trying, in a short presentation, to suggest that I can criticize, but do not have the right to control.  I think I missed some of the details in the way I presented my points, and your criticisms are quite valid.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kirk</title>
		<link>http://henrysthreads.com/2006/09/muslim-protests-of-the-popes-remarks/comment-page-1/#comment-6440</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;i&gt;I have no problem with any Muslim who is not planning to try to use force to impose their views on me or on my country.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

So it&#039;s OK for them to use force to impose their views on other people and other countries as long as it doesn&#039;t affect me directly? Did you really mean to imply that?

&quot;&lt;i&gt;If protesters want to burn down pieces of their own countries, that is the problem of those countries and those people. And yes, when Muslim countries deny rights to women, or impose cruel punishments on their people, it is appropriate for people to condemn those activities and those laws.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

OK, you do condemn Muslims who oppress women and impose cruel punishments. But do you really think it is OK for them to &quot;&lt;i&gt;burn down pieces of their own countries&lt;/i&gt;&quot;, often including churches among other ways in which they persecute Christians, and that is only their own problem and not for us to condemn? When innocent bystanders suffer, and even more when they are our Christian brothers and sisters, isn&#039;t that our concern as well?

But most of this was a great post, thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<i>I have no problem with any Muslim who is not planning to try to use force to impose their views on me or on my country.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>So it&#8217;s OK for them to use force to impose their views on other people and other countries as long as it doesn&#8217;t affect me directly? Did you really mean to imply that?</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>If protesters want to burn down pieces of their own countries, that is the problem of those countries and those people. And yes, when Muslim countries deny rights to women, or impose cruel punishments on their people, it is appropriate for people to condemn those activities and those laws.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>OK, you do condemn Muslims who oppress women and impose cruel punishments. But do you really think it is OK for them to &#8220;<i>burn down pieces of their own countries</i>&#8220;, often including churches among other ways in which they persecute Christians, and that is only their own problem and not for us to condemn? When innocent bystanders suffer, and even more when they are our Christian brothers and sisters, isn&#8217;t that our concern as well?</p>
<p>But most of this was a great post, thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Threads from Henry&#8217;s Web &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Criticizing Religions</title>
		<link>http://henrysthreads.com/2006/09/muslim-protests-of-the-popes-remarks/comment-page-1/#comment-6313</link>
		<dc:creator>Threads from Henry&#8217;s Web &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Criticizing Religions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Sep 2006 12:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Now we have the remarks of Pope Benedict XVI. I already commented briefly on those, noting that I&#8217;m not too much of a fan of the pope, but nonetheless I did not off hand see anything wrong with his remarks that would justify the kind of reaction they are receiving. Despite the Pope&#8217;s apology I have not changed my view. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Now we have the remarks of Pope Benedict XVI. I already commented briefly on those, noting that I&#8217;m not too much of a fan of the pope, but nonetheless I did not off hand see anything wrong with his remarks that would justify the kind of reaction they are receiving. Despite the Pope&#8217;s apology I have not changed my view. [...]</p>
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